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Old 01-25-2006, 04:06 PM   #16
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Game content influences people in the same way that the media, friends and family, or propaganda influences people. A person accumulates this influence, which contributes to or changes that person's world view. Being "good" or "bad" has little to do with it IMO.
 
Old 01-25-2006, 06:37 PM   #17
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You asked for opinions about violence and gore so you got opinions...

The question(s) you should be asking is:

Are violent video games capable of "Training" a violent person to be effectly violent. (i.e. can a video game train a young man with violent fantasies how to use a weapon with skill before the he even fire his first shot?)

The Marines at Fort Benning Georgia as part of their forensic analysis of several high school shootings in the US in 1998-1999 asked this question. What they found out is that First Person Shooter games do in fact "train" people how to shoot skillfully without prior practical firearms handling and operation.

One of the goals of the video game: "America's Army" is to recruit, teach and indoctrinate potential soldiers in basic marksmanship and tactical maneuvers before they enroll in basic training. The time the Army recruit has to spend learning these basic infantry skills is much reduced because they will already be familiar with the equipment and concepts that they will have already learned just by playing the game.

Game theory is the new teaching tactic for today's youths and young adults. As it turns out it is a very effective training tool.
 
Old 01-25-2006, 06:50 PM   #18
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In searching for citations to back up my post above I came across this these links:

http://www.dodgamecommunity.com/modu...catid=&topic=1

http://www.forterrainc.com/

http://gamepipe.isi.edu/~zyda/pubs/I...Paper-2003.pdf

It makes for some very interesting reading. My tax dollars hard at work.
 
Old 01-25-2006, 07:02 PM   #19
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Game theory is the new teaching tactic for today's youths and young adults. As it turns out it is a very effective training tool.
That is true, but if parents took responsibility for their children in the first place, and took them out to show what a gun can do, then they will understand the damage a gun can cause and why they are not toys. They will be able to understand the difference between a video game and real guns.
 
Old 01-26-2006, 02:21 AM   #20
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The question(s) you should be asking is:

Are violent video games capable of "Training" a violent person to be effectly violent. (i.e. can a video game train a young man with violent fantasies how to use a weapon with skill before the he even fire his first shot?)

[...]

Game theory is the new teaching tactic for today's youths and young adults. As it turns out it is a very effective training tool.
It's such a very effective training tool for youths and young adults that are expected to be used as tools themselves. I think video games only train you to react instinctively and shot without contemplation. There's nothing wrong with it as long as you don't kill anybody (unless in self-defense, blah, blah). Anyway video games have many issues, both good and bad, we can't define them if we don't explore them.

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That is true, but if parents took responsibility for their children in the first place, and took them out to show what a gun can do, then they will understand the damage a gun can cause and why they are not toys. They will be able to understand the difference between a video game and real guns.
They should be taught that they really bear responsibility for themselves, too. Kids are not stupid. Society tries to deny kids what we managed to get at to: sexuality and information. This is a world managed by hypocrite adults for hypocrite adults only.

I don't think violence is dangerous per se. With a little luck, it's an effective learning tool:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mike_Tyson
 
Old 01-26-2006, 08:26 AM   #21
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Tendency Reinforcement vs Skills Development

Quote:
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Are violent video games capable of "Training" a violent person to be effectly violent. (i.e. can a video game train a young man with violent fantasies how to use a weapon with skill before the he even fire his first shot?)
These are two different questions.

Do violent video games inspire violence in those that play them?

Do violent video games provide training in basic arms skills and tactics?

We can argue about the answer to the first question, but not the second. I can assure you, they are effective training tools. When the USS Ronald Reagan was about to be commissioned, the Marine Detachment put up a Half-Life Team Fortress Classic server. Good box, well configured, big bandwidth, lots of players. I went to it alot. Those jarheads were good. It wasn't just player skill - which was average to good. It was tactics - they really played as a team. They never wandered the map alone, but always in pairs, and coordinated movements. No matter how good a player you were, if 8 of them attacked all at once from 4 different locations - you were toast.

Whilst the translation of virtual weapons skills to real weapons skills might be debatable, the indoctrination on their effective use is not. Short aimed bursts are more deadly. Explosives are a great way to clear a room. Never become a stationary target. Expending your last round makes you defenseless. etc., etc., etc..

Last edited by Dragineez; 01-26-2006 at 12:27 PM.
 
Old 01-26-2006, 11:09 AM   #22
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Our society has condemned guns so much that people never take their children out to learn about them anymore - this is a problem. For anyone to really understand the responsibility of using a firearm, they must first be able to see the damage that they can really do.

I think that the Idea that video games are the only reason that kids go out and kill people is absurd. There had to be something wrong before that. However, statistics show that kids who are exposed to guns in real life are less likely to go kill people with them.

I have had guns around me since I was a little kid, and when you see them close up and use them, you get a sense of the destruction one of them is capable of unleashing, and it kind of scares you the first time. You understand how real one of them is.
 
  


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