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Old 11-28-2006, 09:34 PM   #16
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we must be helpfull and have compassion on our siblings ... if we are seeing them doing the wrong way , we should let thm know and dont just give up on them ...


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Old 11-28-2006, 09:45 PM   #17
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...dont just give up on them...
The OP is an adult that has been unsucessfully trying to use Linux for 4 years by his account. If the OP really feels his statements are true he should cut his losses right now. There is no use kicking a dead mule.
 
Old 11-28-2006, 09:47 PM   #18
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Actually, as fond as I am of Linux and so-on, I can understand what this person is saying. It is very easy to find yourself in the situation of constantly struggling with "why?" That is to say, finding yourself in a situation where you are suddenly confronted with yet-another bizzare incident that has popped out of nowhere and you must solve it in order to get anywhere. There is still way too much of that .. crap .. out there. It shouldn't be there. It shouldn't be happening. We need to improve.

What we need to do, in the Linux community, is to consider those kinds of complaints seriously. When a customer complains, don't get defensive.

You might seriously enjoy Macintosh OS/X. In fact, you might find what you are looking for. It's a spectacularly well engineered (imho), purpose-built Unix box.
 
Old 11-28-2006, 09:50 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by alred
we must be helpfull and have compassion on our siblings ... if we are seeing them doing the wrong way , we should let thm know and dont just give up on them ...


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Why? Who gave up on him? The guy comes here, makes a total of 5 posts and condemns all of us for not being helpful so he's gonna stop using Linux and we should all feel sorry for him or something?

The simple truth is that "Linux isn't for everyone" is true. Some people really are better off using some other OS.

As far as being helpful goes, that's why LQ exists and anyone who has been here for a while and participated in the forums is typically helpful to those who ask for help.

That doesn't mean we have to grovel and beg when someone decides they want to stomp off in a huff because people who volunteer to help out here aren't responding quickly enough or haven't flown to their homes and fixed their problems for them.
 
Old 11-28-2006, 09:50 PM   #20
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Good Bye, Zamoti! and Good Riddance!
 
Old 11-28-2006, 09:55 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by sundialsvcs
It is very easy to find yourself in the situation of constantly struggling with "why?" That is to say, finding yourself in a situation where you are suddenly confronted with yet-another bizzare incident that has popped out of nowhere and you must solve it in order to get anywhere. There is still way too much of that .. crap .. out there. It shouldn't be there. It shouldn't be happening. We need to improve.
That's what happens when you allow the user total control over the system. In my experience the vast majority of problems can be directly traced back to the nut behind the keyboard.


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When a customer complains, don't get defensive.
Customer? I don't recall getting paid. The Linux community is more like a family and every family has "those people".
 
Old 11-28-2006, 10:00 PM   #22
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there are times where we may need medically treating a dead horse like it is still alive ...

he might not be noticing it but the potential of survival towards those still "unconcerning" is great ...


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Old 11-28-2006, 10:09 PM   #23
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there are times where we may need medically treating a dead horse like it is still alive ...

he might not be noticing it but the potential of survival towards those still "unconcerning" is great ...


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Ummmm, yeah. Whatever dude. Next time I come across a dead horse I'll be sure to give him a couple Advil.
 
Old 11-28-2006, 11:31 PM   #24
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I finally took the old PIII 833 heap I've been wrestling with to the dump tonight
Ouch, every time I hear of someone throwing away a perfectly usable PC, it makes me want to cry. I could have used that!
 
Old 11-29-2006, 12:09 AM   #25
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Seen one tantrum, seen them all.

Anyway, the op is a grown man -- he's earned the right to cry like a little girl.
 
Old 11-29-2006, 02:37 AM   #26
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Ramble moved to General where it's better off since it's
not a linux-question.
 
Old 11-29-2006, 03:00 AM   #27
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It is very easy to find yourself in the situation of constantly struggling with "why?"
Pfff....I used to get that a lot with windows. And what was the fix i was told to use when i contacted microsoft about critical system failure?

"You may have to reformat your hard-drive, Sir".

What does that fix? I used to format my hdd on average 6 times a year. I liked tinkering with the system, but i guess you know what happens when you do that with windows....

I've benn using Linux for just under a year now. All my PC's run linux and i haven't looked back.
It just requires effort in the first few months.

Now, how can anyone expect premium tech-support for something they got for free?
the fact that linuxquestions.org exists is thanks to the good-will of other linux advocatres, who are by no means forced to do it in the first place.

@ the OP: if you wan't professional support and don't want to ever lift your fat arse from your chair, go and BUY a supported distro, such as RHEL, SLED, or even one of Mandriva's payed versions.

And I don't beleive that after four years you got only this far.
But if you aren't prepared to make an effort, no matter how small, nothing in life is really worth-while.

I hope you enjoy emptying your piggy-bank when you go and buy Vista, and all the necessary hardware upgrades and other software to go with it. You can always live on discarded pizza boxes untill you make up for your losses, but thats a very sad existance....

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Old 11-29-2006, 03:10 AM   #28
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Nothing makes sense, nothing works out of the box (except for perhaps Ubuntu and Mandrake), compiling is a pain in the ass and searching for precompiled packages from endless FTP servers is a waste of time.
To me, after quite a long time, pretty much everything makes sense. Not completely everything, but most of it; pick a thing that doesn't make sense and people here can show you how it makes sense. "Nothing" and "except" in the same sentence..oh well. If you ever got an installer running, it worked out of the box, right?

I got frustrated with compiling too, before I tried out Zenwalk (and now testing Slackware). It really is up to either you setting the tools up, or choosing a distribution that has it already done after the setup. No pain in the ass, just working stuff.

And why would you search for precompiled packages from FTP servers (or anywhere), with nowadays' automatic package management systems, like apt (on Ubuntu, which you mentioned)? I would really really have to think hard for a package that I truly need that can't be found in the reposities and be installed with two clicks or one command. Maybe you're just talking about very rare packages, or versions; with them you might run into trouble.

What I see in that post is just plain frustration, which is then painted with anger towards the first thing you can think of; if you think back to the days you "left Windows" (like you said), I'm pretty sure you felt that way too. So in the end nothing else has changed but the target of your anger; your reason of frustration might still be the same, "why don't things just work?". And the answer?

42

EDIT: I wonder why you waste energy on hating Linux, since nobody is forcing you to use it. You don't have to pay for it, you don't have to have it pre-installed when you buy a pc, your mates don't ask you to use it because they don't know how to use that-other-operating-system, your wife (you're a family man, right?) doesn't say you should use Linux instead, ...

If you're sane as people usually tend to be, you understand that it's your own choice whether or not you use Linux. You chose it, you may as well just drop it. No shouting needed.

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Old 11-29-2006, 04:39 AM   #29
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That's right. I hate Linux. In fact, I think Linux [is not very good]; however I don't think it's entirely to blame on it's own.

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/war...tm/troller.htm

pretty well sums it up
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Old 11-29-2006, 06:48 AM   #30
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Aaaahh, it's been fun hasn't it? Every once in a while we get one of these and we all patiently point out the failings in the argument. However, all good things must come to an end.

Let's all get together the next time one of these missives gets posted, eh? I'll bring the beers, you bring the burgers.

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