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Old 09-13-2005, 04:10 AM   #1
F0ul_Olli
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Fuel Protest - have u got one?


I did mention this in another thread, but I thought the decent thing to do was to start a new thread!

We are starting to see panic buying of fuel in the UK now that petrol is at 1 a litre / $8.20 a gallon.

Last night however, I noticed that there was panic buying going on in every service station I went past on the way home (40 mile trip) When I did a quick google news I noticed that this is happening in countries all around the world - is it happening with you? Do you have a panic being caused by rumour and a little misunderstanding?

We also have a protest about to kick off in the next few days. Hauliers / truckers , are planning to blockade the refinaries to stop more fuel comming out, which is going to make the whole situation much worse. Again, is this something that is happening in your country?

Do you agree with it? Is stoping people getting their hands on fuel the best way of getting the price down?

Personally, I don't think so, but the reason is very complex. The high price is made up of the greed of the oil companies who limit the ammount of fuel available so they can charge a premium, and by governments taxing the end product by well over 50% to ensure some easy revenue.
I know in the US the tax from fuel actually goes into road maintainance, but this is not the case in the UK.

anyone agree?
 
Old 09-13-2005, 04:32 AM   #2
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gas is starting to go down in my area. But $8.20g must suck.. Gas prices over $5 a gallon would put the hurt on me. Currently $2.80g.
 
Old 09-13-2005, 05:50 AM   #3
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I filled my car last night and it came to 60 - $109 - this will take me 400 miles - the shock has taken some time to subdue!

ok, so pay in the uk isn't too bad (ave wage is around 20k - $36k) but its still a lot of money to pay to go to work.

I'm thinking that when it comes to enviromental issues v economic issues, its a price that is difficult to pay!!
 
Old 09-13-2005, 06:19 AM   #4
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Its chaos down here

Panic Buying in Cornwall went mad yesterday. Luckily a local garage has introduced a 10 per person limit which is very sensible.
I agree that something has to be done but it has been done before and did the government really take any notice?
I have to drive to get to work, {Local transport would get me in 2 hours late and its 15 miles away so cycling is out of the question.}
I would like some sort of work transport scheme that offers tax incentives to companies to put on mini-buses etc......but never will never happen because the government make too much money on tax on petrol.
 
Old 09-13-2005, 06:22 AM   #5
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Some panic buying in the south of england here yesterday.

Queued for about 3 seconds last night at about 9 pm so not much to shout about.
 
Old 09-13-2005, 06:24 AM   #6
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In France too, truckers are sometimes blocking some depots. They did last week with no consequence AFAIK, for once. Usually, they do that with the consequence of blocking the whole country!

Gas went up 20% in one year, now about 1.5 EURO/l.

Besides, in contrary to what you say, I really think the situation is not a planned lack of petrol, but rather a real limit in production (they'd have to modernise or build new refinaries), if not a limit in product (=petrol).

Despite this all, and despite the fact that it's bound to get worse (unless taxes go down, which the French governement cannot affort IMO), I don't complain, though I'm amazed at the rate at which things degrade.

Like all, I do see the consequences: this, combined with an overall relative loss of revenue compared to prices' inflation, leads me to not being able to save money anymore for our future needs (eg: my son's education)...

Yet I won't complain. I'll try and use public transports more, and use the car less.

WHY?

Because the planet needs that. We have to realize that we cannot use petrol like that. We need the car makers to at last do more research on alternative energy.
We must begin to take care of our planet, for our children.

BTW: no panic that I can see, here.

Yves.
 
Old 09-13-2005, 06:49 AM   #7
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One solution I was thinking about was a nuclear powered Steam engine!

It would have to be a very small nulcear power plant, but with the only fuel requirement being water - it would certainly remove any running costs, freeing the money up to make the economy stronger.

Anyone have a small (1 foot square) nuclear power plant spare?
 
Old 09-13-2005, 07:26 AM   #8
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I'm paying about $1.25-$1.30 per litre here for 98 ron premium unleaded. The normal stuff is about $1.18-$1.22. It's pretty steep, considering like 4 years ago the same petrol would've cost me about 73c per litre.
 
Old 09-13-2005, 08:06 AM   #9
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The profit made by oil companies is something daft like 0.0001pence (not actual figure, but that sort of area its not like they are making 10p a litre), that is for fuel sold in the UK it may be different for other countries, the reason for our high prices is mainly due to gordon brown's greed. We pay about 30 p/l for the fuel the rest is tax. And to add insult to injury we pay VAT on the fuel tax, yep brown is making us pay tax on tax!!

The 10 limit is stupid, my car does 60 miles to the gallon combined and I put off buying a new one because the economy of the new one would be so much reduced yet I can burn a tenners worth of fuel just getting to where I'm working for the day.

Reading todays paper the best place to live is norway apparently yet they have to pay 6 quid for a sandwich (what we may pay 1.50 for) and 30 quid for a pizza yet their fuel prices are sill only the equivalent of a quid a litre

Public transport is dearer, less convenient, not as comfortable and not reliable - both trains and buses so that isn't an option
 
Old 09-13-2005, 09:05 AM   #10
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Re: Fuel Protest - have u got one?

Quote:
Originally posted by F0ul_Olli
I did mention this in another thread, but I thought the decent thing to do was to start a new thread!

We are starting to see panic buying of fuel in the UK now that petrol is at 1 a litre / $8.20 a gallon.

Last night however, I noticed that there was panic buying going on in every service station I went past on the way home (40 mile trip) When I did a quick google news I noticed that this is happening in countries all around the world - is it happening with you? Do you have a panic being caused by rumour and a little misunderstanding?

We also have a protest about to kick off in the next few days. Hauliers / truckers , are planning to blockade the refinaries to stop more fuel comming out, which is going to make the whole situation much worse. Again, is this something that is happening in your country?

Do you agree with it? Is stoping people getting their hands on fuel the best way of getting the price down?

Personally, I don't think so, but the reason is very complex. The high price is made up of the greed of the oil companies who limit the ammount of fuel available so they can charge a premium, and by governments taxing the end product by well over 50% to ensure some easy revenue.
I know in the US the tax from fuel actually goes into road maintainance, but this is not the case in the UK.

anyone agree?
yeah the tax situation in the UK does not exactly sound ideal and now is the time for them to re-look at it. However if its anything like the US government looking at taxes usually results in higher taxes so maybe thats a bad thing :-p

As for the trucker strike in order for a strike to be succesful they need to hope they have the people support. Pissing off an entire country by causing gas prices to rise even more will probably make people rather have the government send in tanks to drive through the barricades in order to let their gas get through rather then garnering support for the truckers goal. If this happened to the US who knows what would happen. Either the refinieries would buckle really fast or the federal government would step in. Either way this strike sounds like its meerly annoying the people instead of annoying the refiniries.
 
Old 09-13-2005, 09:30 AM   #11
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Most of the UK are behind the fuel protests it seems, however the government is putting in measures to break up the blocades and tankers are to have military escorts. It seems like the whole of the UK want one thing and the government are ignoring us and doing the exact opposite.
 
Old 09-13-2005, 01:03 PM   #12
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What I have found interesting is the limited news about the event in the UK. Most of the North West is now out of fuel, yet, none is really talking about it (ok, so the self fulfilling panic buying didn't help!)

I think the biggest problem is to list the issues without everyone forking off and campaigning for their own little hobby horse.

Someone mentioned earlier that the profits are very low, however, these companies (SHell and BP) have announced huge profits (a few billion quid at least) and in certain european countries, the companies are being asked to reduce their profit margins or face a windfall tax.

Other european countires are reducing the tax burden while in the UK, we have a fuel tax and a value added tax on top of it!

The next few days could be very intersting!
 
Old 09-13-2005, 11:37 PM   #13
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If you really want to hit the oil companies where it hurts have a serious look at what you can do to permanently reduce your fuel consumption (careful driving techniques can effect a reduction of up to 25% in consumption, depending on how crappy your driving is).

A short blockade achieves nothing - if you don't buy today you'll buy tomorrow, but permanently reducing your consumption not only is good for the environment in general, but it gets the message through to the oil companies that they don't have an inexhaustable source of income that can be tapped anytime they feel like it.

Mike.
 
Old 09-13-2005, 11:46 PM   #14
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Quote:
Originally posted by F0ul_Olli
One solution I was thinking about was a nuclear powered Steam engine!

It would have to be a very small nulcear power plant, but with the only fuel requirement being water - it would certainly remove any running costs, freeing the money up to make the economy stronger.

Anyone have a small (1 foot square) nuclear power plant spare?
Certainly Nuclear is the way to go but preferably Electric power generated by steam not steam engines. We could not use any existing Nuclear technology today because it is fision. After we can successfully get more power out then we put in using fusion power then we can start on the way to getting it smaller.

I do believe, however, that Nuclear, Solor, and wind power are the waves of the future... If maybe we can tap the sun more efficiently then we would not need Nuclear or Hydrogen powered vehicles...

KC
 
Old 09-14-2005, 01:50 AM   #15
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Soooo...you're trying to end fuel shortages by preventing fuel tankers from delivering more fuel? Ummm...

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