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Old 03-18-2007, 01:04 PM   #16
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well alcohol shouldn't be banned, as I don't think any substance should...
People have a choice... If they like taking riscs, than it's their problem, not everyone should have to suffer because of some who don't know what they're doing. It's like saying... "we should hide every setting in Linux, so no one will screw up their OS" (windoze already does that, but it's already screwed up)...
I can say that although I drink, I never got to a hospital because of that. I drink untill I feel a little dizzy, then that's it, it's coffee and coke for me... Neither do any of my friends get drunk...
It's just a matter of responsibility...

And public education? doesn't work... I always felt asleep during these "informative lessons" at school... Every year, they came telling us the same thing...
It's something the parents should teach the children. Not forbid them to drink, but occasionally giving them a glass of wine, so when they go to a party, they don't get drunk because of "rebellion against rules" or stuff like that...
 
Old 03-18-2007, 01:58 PM   #17
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Hmm, give up smoking? No, coffee? Definitely not! Alcohol, I don't drink, ever since I turned 18 it lost it's appeal. I agree with Valkyrie_of_valhalla's view that we should have a choice. The people who make the laws these days (which for those of you living in a democratic society, is supposed to be you, unfortunately, it isn't) are stupid, alcohol kills thousand of people every year, but we still get the choice of whether or not to use it (presumably because of the millions, if not more, made from it every year). Cannabis, on the other hand, has no lethal dose, and as far as I know nobody has ever died as a direct result of cannabis use, yet it is still illegal (it is over here anyway). Statistically, the young people in Holland (where it is legal), are less likely to try it than youngsters of the UK, choice is good.
One time I logged in, and Fortune said:

There are three ways to get something done
1) Do it yourself
2) Hire someone to do it for you
3) Forbid your kids to do it

I was brought up in a Jehovah's Witness family, I wasn't allowed to do anything. So I did everything.

As for smoking, I wouldn't care if they made it illegal. I just don't want to stop. Like I care if I get cancer or some other smoking related disease, at least I'll be off this planet that we screwed up. Nice.
 
Old 03-18-2007, 03:45 PM   #18
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I gave up giving anything up ages ago.
 
Old 03-18-2007, 03:47 PM   #19
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Nobody likes a quitter
 
Old 03-18-2007, 04:43 PM   #20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johngreenwood
Cannabis, on the other hand, has no lethal dose, and as far as I know nobody has ever died as a direct result of cannabis use, yet it is still illegal (it is over here anyway). Statistically, the young people in Holland (where it is legal), are less likely to try it than youngsters of the UK, choice is good.

The main reason for im going to have to say, is that its a hell of alot easier to get than alcohol, I know alot of people who had experiences with it at young ages 11+

Can't smoke, suffering really bad chest pains and infections right now so thats one down. I do miss my little friend though

Caffine is in almost everything( well alot of things) so it would be impossible to get away from, and I'm addicted to a lovely scottish drink called irn-bru(made from girders)

Alcohol, more often than i should at such a young age as mine, but starting early mostly meant i was over all the reblous stuff young and could focus for my exams.
 
Old 03-18-2007, 04:48 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by ed-j
The 3 main drugs in a "civilized" society:

1. Alcohol. 2. Coffee. 3. Nicotine.

Their purpose in society:

1. Forgetting. 2. Rushing. 3. Oxygen Starvation.

All three can only be equated to brainwashing?

Which ones would you, or could you give up? :-)
i think u forgot the most dangerous drug for all us here it`s PC
 
Old 03-18-2007, 04:52 PM   #22
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I don't do alcohol or nicotine. I enjoy coffee, and, yeah, you could say I'm addicted to it, but I have given it up a few times to test myself - I'm grouchy and have headaches for between a few days and a week, then, as my body adjusts to no caffeine I'm fine.

However, I'm all for choice, and I believe as long as people do no harm to others or their property then they should be able to do what they want. Obviously, its a little more complex than that and drawing lines between what is acceptable and what is not, while keeping everyone happy is near, if not impossible.
 
Old 03-19-2007, 08:26 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by Crito
I find the use of the term "alcohol and drugs" amuzing. Like alcohol isn't a drug?

When I was in high school I went to a party where a guy had just slammed a small bottle of pure grain (190 proof) and subsequently passed out. We rolled him over on his side before leaving to go get a pizza, thinking he might regurgitate and choke. Anyway, long story short, when we got back from munching he was dead. Died from respiratory arrest or, in other words, he overdosed on booze.

If that isn't a "drug" I really don't know what is. The continued tolerance for alcohol and the people who abuse it is inexcusable, immoral and just plain wrong. Maybe we need a "war on booze" to set things straight. Zero tolerance for beer drinkers and mandatory sentencing: "drink six beers, do ten years." And it needs to be a felony too so boozers can't vote and screw things up again.

I'm sure proponents of the "tough love" philosophy will recognize and enjoy the smell of their own sh1t.
Booze is a drug, hence the title "Drugs, drugs, drugs." There are three drugs mentioned, alcohol being the first. However, you are quite correct, people use the term alcohol then society can side-step the fact that it is another word for drug.

Last edited by ed-j; 03-20-2007 at 02:18 PM.
 
Old 03-19-2007, 08:35 AM   #24
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Hmm, give up smoking? No, coffee? Definitely not! Alcohol, I don't drink, ever since I turned 18 it lost it's appeal. I agree with Valkyrie_of_valhalla's view that we should have a choice. The people who make the laws these days (which for those of you living in a democratic society, is supposed to be you, unfortunately, it isn't) are stupid, alcohol kills thousand of people every year, but we still get the choice of whether or not to use it (presumably because of the millions, if not more, made from it every year). Cannabis, on the other hand, has no lethal dose, and as far as I know nobody has ever died as a direct result of cannabis use, yet it is still illegal (it is over here anyway). Statistically, the young people in Holland (where it is legal), are less likely to try it than youngsters of the UK, choice is good.
One time I logged in, and Fortune said:

There are three ways to get something done
1) Do it yourself
2) Hire someone to do it for you
3) Forbid your kids to do it

I was brought up in a Jehovah's Witness family, I wasn't allowed to do anything. So I did everything.

As for smoking, I wouldn't care if they made it illegal. I just don't want to stop. Like I care if I get cancer or some other smoking related disease, at least I'll be off this planet that we screwed up. Nice.
I love the singnature, and the "blue" screenshot! Did you make the Wallpaper yourself?

All the best!
 
Old 03-19-2007, 08:40 AM   #25
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I gave up giving anything up ages ago.
Quote from postcard: Oscar Wilde said: "I can resist everything except temptation." :-)
 
Old 03-19-2007, 08:44 AM   #26
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i think u forgot the most dangerous drug for all us here it`s PC
I bet your sound-card is just wall-to-wall jack sockets! :-)
 
Old 03-19-2007, 08:57 AM   #27
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i dont smoke and cant stand the smell.

i occasionally have a beer or two at the weekend though i dislike feeling drunk so i dont overdoo it (and i definatly wont drive after even 1 beer)

caffeine, well i dont drink coffie but thats because i dont like the taste....
i drink cola but that is mainly because i like it, allthough i have been kniwn to drink it in the morning when i dont what to get out of bed...

illigal drugs i will never do as they are so dangerous.

i have been given ketamine in hospital (as an anathetic) and i can see why some peopel abuse it, waking up form it was so wiered
stack in a dream about dreanming abiout being stuck in adream about ..... ad infinatum

but i woudl never take anything like that illigaly
 
Old 03-19-2007, 10:40 AM   #28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ed-j
The 3 main drugs in a "civilized" society:

1. Alcohol. 2. Coffee. 3. Nicotine.

Their purpose in society:

1. Forgetting. 2. Rushing. 3. Oxygen Starvation.

All three can only be equated to brainwashing?

Which ones would you, or could you give up? :-)
Well, for some strange reason I don't drink alcohol, don't smoke, and don't like cofee.

But I think many things can be "drugs" for somebody - for example, computer games, internet, programming, Linux, computers, working, watching TV and even reading books can be quite addictive for some people...

Last edited by ErV; 03-19-2007 at 10:41 AM.
 
Old 03-19-2007, 12:33 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by ErV
Well, for some strange reason I don't drink alcohol, don't smoke, and don't like cofee.

But I think many things can be "drugs" for somebody - for example, computer games, internet, programming, Linux, computers, working, watching TV and even reading books can be quite addictive for some people...
If it is imagined that the ingestion of the said activities has an effect on, and influences, your physiological, emotional and mental person: then yes. I am however pointing to the ingestion of a substance, whether it is recognized or "labelled" as a drug.

They are however worthy and notable comments. Many thanks! :-)
 
Old 03-20-2007, 09:56 AM   #30
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I bet your sound-card is just wall-to-wall jack sockets! :-)
damn i have 2 from engl. so i dont know him very well but i know what are u talking about(in most cases) :P l0l
 
  


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