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brianL 09-09-2013 01:23 PM

Done it. Keep out of it. There are no "goodies" fighting in that civil war. Plenty of innocent victims, though.

Arcane 09-09-2013 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 5023501)

Or not..looks like someone is playing Decoy instead and they keep falling for it. :D
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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 5024723)
Go to slashdot and vote in the poll.

Are you serious? It's just another gossipy page like others..why you keep suggesting it is something more special?

cynwulf 09-10-2013 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TopCoder (Post 5021812)
I really wish it does not happen, civil war is just that. No one intervened in the US civil war. Let the Syrians have theirs. I'm sure back when the US had their Civil War either side would of used and did use any weapons available to them at the time.

Don't meddle in the affair of others.

Too late for that - the meddling is already going on and has been since, or before, the war started. The west and some Arab states are arming the jihadists - that's why there is a war in the first place. If they had not armed them, it would have been all over a long time ago. And now, as with Iraq, they're placing full blame on the regime and playing the humanitarian card as an excuse to mount another illegal invasion...

911InsideJob 09-13-2013 06:04 AM

Peace Crusaders (Islamic Jihadists) are the problem. They'll ruin the war racket (according to USMC Maj. Gen. Smedly Butler) for the military militants running the fascist American regime. There can now be no debate that chemical weapons were used against the American people on 11-Sept-2001 by their own so-called "government" (federal corporation subsidiary of world bankster inc.)

Chemical Physics journal, “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen

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“Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.”

sundialsvcs 09-13-2013 08:06 AM

I don't think you missed any hot-buttons in that last post ... :rolleyes:

H_TeXMeX_H 09-13-2013 08:35 AM

He's just a hate-monger like his leader Alex Jones. His #1 purpose is to enrage you.

k3lt01 09-13-2013 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 911InsideJob (Post 5027043)
Peace Crusaders (Islamic Jihadists) are the problem.

Don't you think the problem is the appearance of the US to want to meddle in the internal affairs of other nations when there is no need whatsoever to do so?

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Originally Posted by 911InsideJob (Post 5027043)
There can now be no debate that chemical weapons were used against the American people on 11-Sept-2001 by their own so-called "government" (federal corporation subsidiary of world bankster inc.)

Can't there? evidence is found of some agent in the dust of the collapse. If you were to go through demolition sites in Sydney you would find evidence of DDT that has not been used for 50 years.

Arcane 09-14-2013 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 911InsideJob (Post 5027043)
{...}There can now be no debate that chemical weapons were used against the American people on 11-Sept-2001 by their own so-called "government" (federal corporation subsidiary of world bankster inc.){...}

Is that so? That is not what real life investigations say. You know political science and cartoon physics are fun but when applied to real life situations and when victims suffer - that is just not how reality works in our observable universe.

Drakeo 09-14-2013 07:13 AM

As a former Marine I can say one thing about war it is not pretty it is not glory and it is not macho there is no valor in it.
If your a religious man and all men are your brother and sisters. And this make all the people God's children.
How dare any man or government tell someone to go kill my brother sister or child of god.

War is what we get when the people on the bottom want what the people on the top have after they been hurt from being thrown away.
war is what you get when the top need to suppress the bottom.
I tell you. You can't climb any higher than the ones you hold down.
One site of a lost soul of a human done by violence is the worst thing you will ever hold in your mind.

Is there a time for war mmm. what year is this. I guess one day we will come out of the cave and learn to lift and love our fellow people.

Gulf company 3rd platoon 2nd battalion 1st marine division.
ooooraw.

Arcane 09-14-2013 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Drakeo (Post 5027561)
{...}Is there a time for war mmm. what year is this. I guess one day we will come out of the cave and learn to lift and love our fellow people.{...}

Couldn't have said it better. Just like in this movie ending. Amen bro, good to see another marine(you guys also fight for justice in this world) who isn't brainwashed by orders from hierarchy shenanigans. :)

cyberwar 09-15-2013 06:32 PM

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Do you think the US should get involved in another war
Sure, we have nothing better to do

911InsideJob 09-17-2013 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Arcane (Post 5027502)
Is that so? That is not what real life investigations say. You know political science and cartoon physics are fun but when applied to real life situations and when victims suffer - that is just not how reality works in our observable universe.

Those pseudo-scientific debunkers (most who are Arab hating racists) have themselves been debunked: http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-M.../dp/156656686X

Anywho, I'm surprised there's so little news coverage of the terror in North Carolina http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/15/justic...ing/index.html and so much coverage of minor collateral damage from the War on Liberty at the Navy Yard. We need cop control laws rushed through immediately!

Arcane 09-17-2013 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 911InsideJob (Post 5029021)
Those pseudo-scientific debunkers (most who are Arab hating racists) have themselves been debunked: http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-M.../dp/156656686X{...}

Pseudo-scientific debunkers?!? Did you even watch those materials? I don't believe someone would be that stupid so you are joking or troll right? Just open your school education book about science and you will see they fit! Facepalm for you! Youtube may contain fake stuff but it also contains true stuff - just explore more..

Steve R. 09-17-2013 10:08 AM

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Do you think the US should get involved in another war
The short answer, NO.

There are several issues associate with this. One it seems to be that "defense" has now become "aggression". The politically correct mantra is that US must invade other countries to "protect" the US. With that attitude the US will be in perpetual war. As envisioned by Orwell in his novel "1984".

The US has been using its political, economic, and military power to "support" various Islamic regimes. These regimes have not been friendly to Christians and western ideals. Many of these countries openly persecute Christians, yet the current (and prior) administration(s) say nothing. The US it would seem is performing cultural suicide by supporting these Islamic regimes. One person even went as far as asserting that the US military is nothing more than a mercenary army serving Islamic interests.

Steve R. 09-17-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by descendant_command (Post 5017300)
They should hold off until they have concluded the War on Freedom.

I assume you mean the "war" to eliminate freedom in the name of "security".

H_TeXMeX_H 09-17-2013 10:54 AM

I would say that 1984 is already here, mainly through the aid of euphemisms. They call an "invasion" a "preemptive strike". They call "mercenaries" "rebels". They say they want cyber "defense" through "offense". You get a nobel "peace" prize for starting "war"s.

Today can you disagree with:
War is peace.
Ignorance is strength.
Freedom is slavery.

Freedom isn't free after all. Or was it slavery ? I mean you have to work your way out of one of them, you know. You have to earn your freedom ;)

Arcane 09-18-2013 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 5029266)
{...}Freedom isn't free after all. Or was it slavery ? I mean you have to work your way out of one of them, you know. You have to earn your freedom ;)

Something like that..
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Our modern society is engaged in polishing and decorating the cage in which man is kept imprisoned. ~Swami Nirmalananda, Enlightened Anarchism

911InsideJob 09-24-2013 10:13 AM

The tree of liberty has to be refreshed from time to time... like when the Fascist Bureau of Intimidation (FBI) can make up boolshiat like American al-Qaeda al-Khattab and it turns out to be a Jewish actor named Joseph Cohen. Now I'm supposed to believe al-ShishKabob in Africa is out to get me when I go shopping at the mall. :rolleyes: Yeah, right... save me federal fascists! LOL

dugan 09-25-2013 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 5029266)
They call "mercenaries" "rebels".

I thought they were called "security contractors" now?

Steve R. 09-25-2013 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 5029266)
I would say that 1984 is already here, mainly through the aid of euphemisms. They call an "invasion" a "preemptive strike". They call "mercenaries" "rebels". They say they want cyber "defense" through "offense". You get a nobel "peace" prize for starting "war"s.

Today can you disagree with:
War is peace.
Ignorance is strength.
Freedom is slavery.

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Originally Posted by dugan (Post 5034308)
I thought they were called "security contractors" now?

I like that "mercenaries" = "security contractors" :)

Additional thoughts:
"Political Patronage Appointments"= "Navigators"
"Broken Promises" = "Evolution"

H_TeXMeX_H 09-25-2013 08:04 AM

They only call them that on US soil.

Arcane 09-25-2013 12:13 PM

I think we already have war - intelligent war without force - invisible war. :@

911InsideJob 10-09-2013 10:12 AM

The press in this country is so not free, the American people hear about chemical weapons in Syria but are kept almost completely in the dark when revelations about their own government come to light. If not for a few local papers I never would have known what was happening just down the street from me:

leaking mustard gas shells

The federal fascists could probably gas everyone in the whole town and get away with it.

DavidMcCann 10-09-2013 11:56 AM

What's equally outrageous is that the US condemns Syria but took 50 years to ratify the Geneva Protocol itself! And the US was a major user of chemical weapons in the Vietnam War, supplied by those fine upstanding corporations Monsanto and Dow.

Jeebizz 10-09-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMcCann (Post 5042883)
What's equally outrageous is that the US condemns Syria but took 50 years to ratify the Geneva Protocol itself! And the US was a major user of chemical weapons in the Vietnam War, supplied by those fine upstanding corporations Monsanto and Dow.

And to this day the US denies any legal responsibility for dropping such chemicals, and offered very little if any support for those affected to this day by agent orange.

Now that inspectors are in and progress has begun in dismantling Syria's weapons, this is now a major coup against the US and I am sure that the US is just frothing at the mouth now, because they can't use their tomahawks or other forms of aggression.

moxieman99 10-09-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Drakeo (Post 5027561)
Gulf company 3rd platoon 2nd battalion 1st marine division.
ooooraw.

0311 in Bravo 1/6 and Alpha 1/8, 2nd MarDiv here

sundialsvcs 10-09-2013 07:11 PM

We are all grateful to you for your Service.

Our objective, as a country, should be to minimize the situations that place you and your comrades in harm's way. Your lives should be precious.

I, for one, am very unhappy that you are being continually placed at-risk (of your life(!!)) for ... "a (corporate) racket."

But ... thank you. I mean that (we mean that ...) from the heart.

k3lt01 10-10-2013 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sundialsvcs (Post 5043081)
We are all grateful to you for your Service.

Our objective, as a country, should be to minimize the situations that place you and your comrades in harm's way. Your lives should be precious.

I, for one, am very unhappy that you are being continually placed at-risk (of your life(!!)) for ... "a (corporate) racket."

But ... thank you. I mean that (we mean that ...) from the heart.

I'm sure Americans are grateful but lets remember that more than American citizens have taken part in this thread and saying we indicates everyone. I for one am not grateful, their service does nothing for me and America's penchant for war has put many people, not only its own citizens, at risk.

sundialsvcs 10-10-2013 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by k3lt01 (Post 5043230)
I'm sure Americans are grateful but lets remember that more than American citizens have taken part in this thread and saying we indicates everyone. I for one am not grateful, their service does nothing for me and America's penchant for war has put many people, not only its own citizens, at risk.

Believe me, I hear exactly what you are saying ... and I daresay that a whole lot of American soldiers do, too.

"America's penchant for war" has always been the problem, especially given that it is often done for business reasons. There are plenty of examples of it, too:
  • The Spanish-American War ("Remember the Maine"!) was basically started and ended as a distraction.
  • "War is a Racket!" Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, the most-decorated American officer at the start of the 20th century, very eloquently and forcefully said that.
  • "The Military Industrial Complex." 'Ike' Eisenhower's coined phrase.
  • "Mission Accomplished." By the most foolish of the fools.
  • "Generals don't start wars ... politicians do." Gen. Ulysses S. Grant.
  • ... and it is a list that never ends ...
All of this says nothing of the "grunts on the ground," who see it as their national duty to obey the orders that are given to them by their respective governments. They're the ones who are really left at the end of the stick, their bodies often half blown-apart. I think it's okay to acknowledge their service.

It has always been the case that people, who kept themselves most-carefully out of any harm's way, pursue war because there is money in it. Vast, indeed unthinkable, amounts of "top secret" money. And this is what I think we need to acknowledge, and to refuse to accept, and to fight against.

I'm an American citizen. Yes, I am. But don't think "for a New York minute," as the song says, that I endorse what my government is doing, or fail to perceive its dreadful cost both here and abroad.

"There's no such thing as a 'winnable' war. It's a lie we don't believe anymore." -- Sting, "The Russians"

DavidMcCann 10-10-2013 11:05 AM

It's not surprising that generals like Grant and Eisenhower criticised warmongers: they had seen the consequences. And the time was when politicians were not so gungho:

"War is the parent of armies: from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, debts, and taxes are the known instrument for bringing the many under the dominion of the few. In war ... the discretionary power of the executive is extended ... and all the means of seducing the minds are added to those of subduing the force of the people." James Madison


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