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Old 02-25-2017, 12:25 PM   #1
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Do You Have A Right To Do Wrong??


https://fee.org/articles/do-individu...t-to-do-wrong/
 
Old 02-25-2017, 01:00 PM   #2
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An interesting article. Free speech means free speech, whether you like it or not that means everyone is allowed, even opposing views or even worse those who would have reprehensible views i.e. the West Boro Baptist Church. You also see the previous incident at UC Berkeley as an example. This is already a slippery slope because it is easily abused, any opposing view that has no undertones of hate, can be construed as such an as an excuse to be blocked/censored.

Thoughts on Google's Trolling/Hate Speech Algorithm Program
 
Old 02-25-2017, 01:03 PM   #3
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morality and law certainly belong together, but aren't the same thing.

it's not illegal to lie per se, but can be in certain situations.
it's probably also not always immoral to lie.

movies have been made about this (challenging situations the voyager is faced with, decisions have to be made), books written, philosophers philosophizing...

for me, the first sentence is good enough.
the rest is life, and "it depends".
 
Old 02-25-2017, 08:29 PM   #4
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Persons certainly have a right to do wrong. It's called "free will" (and, no, I will not discuss whether free will exists--that's another discussion). What they do not have is a right to do wrong with impunity. That brings anarchy.

You will find many examples of persons who have used hateful speech who, when they get called out on it, yelp about "freedom of speech."

What they want is not "freedom of speech." What they want is impunity from consequences. One thing is not like the other thing.

Just as they have freedom of speech, others have freedom of speech to call them out on what they have said. And, in US law, if they exercise their "freedom of speech" to falsely yell fire in a crowded theatre, they have crossed the into illegality.

Just a few thoughts.
 
Old 02-26-2017, 03:54 AM   #5
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Someone asks an angel: So the devil is someone who does evil?

Angel answers: No, the devil is someone who loves doing evil.
 
Old 02-26-2017, 11:20 AM   #6
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The law may give you rights, but I'm doubtful that the idea of rights is meaningful in ethics. I've just pulled Rosalind Hursthouse's On Virtue Ethics of the shelf and, sure enough, the word "rights" doesn't appear in the index.

Obviously the law can confer rights to perform immoral actions, like inciting hatred (not on this side of the pond!), but equally obviously the actions remain wrong.
 
Old 02-26-2017, 09:08 PM   #7
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Your "rights" end at my nose.

You are entitled to peaceably assemble, and to in like manner "vent your spleen." But, the moment you "do wrong," I'm not listening to you anymore. And if you so much as touch (or threaten) my interests, "I'll see you in court."

Also: if you're just "an angry young man," to quote Billy Joel's song, "you're just wasting bandwidth, and your own time as well." And, yeah, "potty talk" [doesn't] belongs in the locker room.

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Old 02-26-2017, 11:28 PM   #8
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The redirect to "Do you want to be liberated" on that site while reading the article seemed pretty <insert cuss sentence here> to me.

I make my own koolaid to drink. Thank you.

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