My signature details my definition of geek and nerd. Does anyone know any places that offer good definitions of these?

Any ideas for improvements? This could be a very long definition, but I need ideas.

what about a pic of me

LOL . Yeah, if you have one for me. I could add "wearer of glasses", but it's a little less specific.

There are all the other geeks that like politics, science etc., but I don't really think the term geek is supposed to encompass them, even if people use it that way.

how about:

worships Linus Torvalds instead of Bill Gates.

at least I do

Geert.

Bill started off as a geek also but then the dark side took over and now he has a black helmet and cape.

I was always of the opinion that a nerd was a person, technologically inclined, with limited social skills. A geek was a person, also technologically inclined, but with some social skills. Very often a nerd will grow up to be a geek. It is impossible to imagine a nerd with a girlfriend, but a geek can feasibly have a girlfriend or a wife (or a husband; nerds and geeks are predominantly male but females can be too).

The other thing was a dweeb. A dweeb is a nerd without the technological skill. There is no hope for a dweeb. You don't want to be one of those!

Nerd: A foolish, inept, or unattractive person.
A person who is single-minded or accomplished in scientific or technical pursuits but is felt to be socially inept.
Word History: The word nerd, undefined but illustrated, first appeared in 1950 in Dr. Seuss's If I Ran the Zoo: “And then, just to show them, I'll sail to Ka-Troo And Bring Back an It-Kutch a Preep and a Proo A Nerkle a Nerd and a Seersucker, too!” (The nerd is a small humanoid creature looking comically angry, like a thin, cross Chester A. Arthur.) Nerd next appears, with a gloss, in the February 10, 1957, issue of the Glasgow, Scotland, Sunday Mail in a regular column entitled “ABC for SQUARES”: “Nerda square, any explanation needed?” Many of the terms defined in this “ABC” are unmistakable Americanisms, such as hep, ick, and jazzy, as is the gloss “square,” the current meaning of nerd. The third appearance of nerd in print is back in the United States in 1970 in Current Slang: “Nurd [sic], someone with objectionable habits or traits.... An uninteresting person, a ‘dud.’” Authorities disagree on whether the two nerdsDr. Seuss's small creature and the teenage slang term in the Glasgow Sunday Mailare the same word. Some experts claim there is no semantic connection and the identity of the words is fortuitous. Others maintain that Dr. Seuss is the true originator of nerd and that the word nerd (“comically unpleasant creature”) was picked up by the five- and six-year-olds of 1950 and passed on to their older siblings, who by 1957, as teenagers, had restricted and specified the meaning to the most comically obnoxious creature of their own class, a “square.”
Geek: A person regarded as foolish, inept, or clumsy.
A person who is single-minded or accomplished in scientific or technical pursuits but is felt to be socially inept.
A carnival performer whose show consists of bizarre acts, such as biting the head off a live chicken.
Our Living Language Our word geek is now chiefly associated with student and computer slang; one probably thinks first of a computer geek. In origin, however, it is one of the words American English borrowed from the vocabulary of the circus, which was a much more significant source of entertainment in the United States in the 19th and early 20th century than it is now. Large numbers of traveling circuses left a cultural legacy in various and sometimes unexpected ways. For example, Superman and other comic book superheroes owe much of their look to circus acrobats, who were similarly costumed in capes and tights. The circus sideshow is the source of the word geek, “a performer who engaged in bizarre acts, such as biting the head off a live chicken.” We also owe the word ballyhoo to the circus; its ultimate origin is unknown, but in the late 1800s it referred to a flamboyant free musical performance conducted outside a circus with the goal of luring customers to buy tickets to the inside shows. Other words and expressions with circus origins include bandwagon (coined by P.T. Barnum in 1855) and Siamese twin.

For true geekishness you need a studded leather pocket protector for your pens.

thick glasses causal cords and the shirt

Hey pepsi - you think I didn't google it?

I don't think one needs any gadgets to promote your geekhood pride, though it be fun to discuss them. Especially nerdy little

I believe nerds are similar to vasudevadas' description, but they don't grow up to be geeks - they grow up to work for MS, or become $cript kiddies.

There are some geeks who are discriminated upon at school because they despise all the "groupies" (pardon the word, but it is effective), and shun normality.
Some are bullied or laughed at due to the misconception that they are nerds.

The reason I am developing this, is because it is often forgotten, even sites such as geek.com and especially slashdot, which says "News for Nerds", frequently get this wrong.

Tell me if you think I am wrong, but geeks are the opposite of nerds. I associate "nerd" with the typical US teen sitcom or movie that portrays a bumbling idiot with no sense of hygeine or self-esteem, who groups with similar types for more effective egg-throwing.

Many agree with me, but I just want an effective way to describe my feelings in a reproducible manner, for, for example, spamming (in an affectionate sense of the word, if there is one) Slashdot for their insolence.

now just because someone works for M$ doesnt make them a wannabe geek. I'm sure they have plenty of very intelligent engineers there and people with alot of brain muscle. They just work for a money hungry corporation but that doesnt make them stupid or a wannabe. Hell I'd work for M$ if they offered me a nice package and a good career.

on that note I read an article a year or so back that said there a number of Open Source dev, who go on to work for M$ and there are a number of M$ employees who leave the company to do OpenSource projects or start companies.

donni wtf your quaote seeemed more loke a joke i gave you the definition
and the school i got to is gifted so most of the people are geeks/nerds the definition is that a nerd being an older word defines a person who is smart and good in all fields not just computers and geek as anyone who has become fluint in one subject and some topics around this

I disagree, but never mind.

How's this:

geek n (pl geeks) usu. a technologically minded person (esp computer geek); one labelled socially inept or boring; (offens) a nerd. * vt (geeking, geeked) (inf) to fool around in a geeky manner; to converse in pure computer jargon (esp role-playing). * interj (sl) (with on) well done; long live the geek.--geeky adj.--geekily adv.--also techie.

nerd n (pl nerds) (vulg) a socially inept person; a school librarian or computer technician. * vt (inf) to babble incoherently.--nerdy adj.--nerdily adv.--also convention.

Out of interest - does anyone else agree that these two are frequently mixed up? So maybe my definition is wrong, but I think it is closer to the mark than those found in places like Wikipedia etc.

BTW, I'm 15/16 ATM, so my Worldview(r) may differ from yours.

I welcome your input. And pepsi - this isn't a joke, I want to reach a democratic conclusion as to what they should mean.

So I'm a geek, yes? I don't care.

i think the whole socialy inept thing is off, Nerds/geeks survive in a community, it just involves more pepsi/jolt and less phisical contact that the avarage non geek/nerd geeks irc all night people get drunk and drink beer