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Old 09-07-2002, 12:54 AM   #1
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CD-R/RW dilemma


Hi guys, I need an advice, I got an option to get either internal SCSI CD-R/RW Yamaha brand, and another Yamaha brand FireWire internal drive, which one would you suggest? I have an Adaptec SCSI card installed and I can get a FireWire card as well (also I need an advice which one is well supported under 2.4.19 and up)
 
Old 09-07-2002, 03:37 AM   #2
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Firewire is still in some flake stages, let's call them later beta. Almost all linux burning is done by having the device emulate scsi, I don't know if firewire can even do that! Personally I still love my little crappy 6x Ricoh SCSI burner. It hasn't made a coaster since I evicted Bill from my house and started using xcdroast and k3b strictly.

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Old 09-07-2002, 04:02 AM   #3
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I know the idea of burning discs at 30 seconds a pop would seem to be amazing (via firewire) but then it still falls back to other speed limiters (like the hard drive). I would go with the SCSI as suggested by fin, or just a good old cheap 16x Burner.

I have a 16x Yamaha IDE, and it works rather well. I too haven't made a coaster since I stopped using XPOS to burn my CD's. I can burn a CD in ~4:30 and that's pretty good. There are others out for decent prices, and even the DVD burners are dropping quick.

I am sure I have said it before, and you probably know about it, but be sure to check out www.pricewatch.com and www.ebay.com or www.ubid.com for good prices.

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Old 09-07-2002, 04:21 AM   #4
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I dunno... its getting pretty close to possible. ATA100, cranked up will give hdparms of about 35-40MB/sec, taking into account a writeahead cache on the drive, and a FIFO buffer of four megs to the burner, then I guess a normal ATA100 could fill the data to 700MB cdrom in what? 18 seconds? Nothing burns that fast yet... right? I hope not... blergh...

I gotta look into firewire some more. Heck, I'll do that right now.

Cheers,

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Old 09-07-2002, 04:29 AM   #5
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I might be dead wrong, the hcl put together by the kernel geeks is pretty solid... includes cdrws... doesn't mention if they work for burning or just reading though.

Nope, apparently ieee1394 devices go in as SCSI chains just like... well, anything not SCSI, USB-mass_storage, IDE-SCSI, yeah here's one that's attested to work burning:

http://www.linux1394.org/cgi-bin/view_device.cgi?id=207

Yeah, looks more than just possible... sure wish Intel and Winsuck weren't pushing USB 2.0 so hardcore, these look like fun.

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Old 09-07-2002, 04:40 AM   #6
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I just plopped over to a review on Yamaha's drive, the CRW-F1, which is claimed a 44x write speed (a mere 6,600 KB/sec) and it burned in 3:04. Not exactly amazing for "latest and greatest" I would think. Here's the link:
http://www.cdfreaks.com/document.php3?Doc=88&Page=8

Just to see what this 'amazing' drive was priced at, I also plopped over to MySimon.com and check prices:
http://www.mysimon.com/isrch/index.j...ice&dir=i&pg=1

$145 is the lowest price mentioned there, which isn't REALLY bad, but considering ~$70 for 1 more minute, that wouldn't seem to justify it to me.

It's got really decent rewrite speed though: 24x. But then try to find CDRW's that actually move at that (for a decent price). Most of your CDRW's that are priced at ~$0.50 a disc are putting along at 4x still. I once found some 10x at a decent price, but once would not lead me to believe that it's a trend.

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After a short stop in at pricewatch.com a 10 pack of 10x CDRW's run only 2 bucks, but add the shipping, and they come to ~$12. So prices are dropping there, but still, we are only talking 10x, not quite "testing" the drive now is it?
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Old 09-07-2002, 06:56 AM   #7
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MasterC, I'd be willing to debate that 10x's are still that much. I've still got 3/4 of a 50 spindle of Maxell 700MB 24x's, and although I don't know the veracity of what speed they can actually be burned, mine only does 6x, I know they're compusa common. They were picked up for me, but I think it was $20 for the spindle. This is of course with no jewel cases, which usually doubles the price. I remember when I first got a burner, now about a year and a half ago, that the fastest speed I could find was x12, and that the prices nose-dived within a few months.

Cheers,

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Old 09-07-2002, 07:26 AM   #8
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Now that's for CDRW's right, not CDRs?

I really have a hard time to [locally] find CDRW's at faster than 4x for less than 2 bucks a piece or more.

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Old 09-07-2002, 07:32 AM   #9
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Just for fun I blasted off a quote for a reel (100 pack) of CDRW's at Pricewatch. For a spindle of a 100 pack 10x CDRW's, $95!

http://queen.pricewatch.com/search/s...ne=6005&l=5959

That's not bad, but that is of course in massive qty, and still not nearly as good of price as the CDR category:
http://www.memorymedia.com/cgi-bin/w...H=YES&CODE=307
Where a 400 pack is $64!



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Old 09-07-2002, 10:13 AM   #10
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Gah, whoops, no we were at cross purposes there, okay that makes sense for the disparity. I was talking strictly about CD-Rs. I've got some RWs somewhere around here... never used 'em when a burn is like $.30.

Cheers,

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Old 09-07-2002, 10:42 AM   #11
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Thanks guys for the feedback you've provided, I would still love to get a Plextor 12x10x32 SCSI drive, and the only place to hunt them down is ebay and other auctions. But I don't want a used device.
 
  


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