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Old 04-19-2013, 09:02 PM   #16
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Pathetic? Stupid people list? I'm sorry he/she annoyed you with his/her very overbearing expression of disagreement, but it bashed only your statement, not you.
I never made any statement.

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It's the round glass eye looking thingy on top
see: http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbvie...-cd-player.jpg

IMHO, those "clean-cds" are waste of time and money if it's possible to replace your cd/dvd device.
...and yes I would always buy a new one if it's cheaper.

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Old 04-19-2013, 09:09 PM   #17
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Sorry, I must have been unclear. "Your statement" refers to your advice which you just quoted. He/she overbearingly called your advice "worst advice I've ever heard in my life." What he said was too strident (noobish?), but since it didn't contain any personal attacks toward you, I think you overreacted.

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Old 04-19-2013, 09:18 PM   #18
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Sorry, I must have been unclear. "Your statement" refers to your advice which you just quoted. He/she overbearingly called your advice "worst advice I've ever heard in my life." What he said was too strident (noobish?), but since it didn't contain any personal attacks toward you, I think you overreacted.
Sure. I did overreact (just one of those days...).

Yet, I still think it's unacceptable to twist someone's words in such an extreme direction (even if it's about a 0.9 Euro device and a much more expensive "cleaning-cd").

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Old 04-20-2013, 02:23 AM   #19
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It's true, I have used cleaning CDs in the past and they don't seem to work for me. All you want to do is eliminate the possibility that the lens is dirty, and thus save some money. The chances of the lens being dirty depend on what kind of drive it is and what you put in it. Open drives are more likely to get the lens dirty. Putting in dirty CDs doesn't help.
 
Old 04-20-2013, 03:29 AM   #20
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Sure. I did overreact (just one of those days...).
Completely unwarranted and "just one of those days" is not a valid excuse.
Please do not do that again.
 
Old 04-20-2013, 03:59 AM   #21
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Personally, I try only to use optical disks for media that I'll rip to hard drive (Audio CDs and movie DVDs) and for installation, backup and moving data use USB drives. That's because I lose track of the times I've burned a CD or DVD only to find that, even though the burning software said it went fine, there is a problem with it.
When I built my last PC I deliberately bought a moderately cheap USB optical drive that was on sale so that when it starts to show signs of failure I can replace it easily -- it also works with my netbook, which is handy.
Whilst buying a new drive may seem a little drastic if it's 5 years old and very unreliable then provided you can afford it it may be real answer. If you have some "air duster" though or an alcohol cleaning fluid and a swab to run over the lens then there's nothing wrong with giving it a go.
 
Old 04-20-2013, 12:57 PM   #22
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Personally, I try only to use optical disks for media that I'll rip to hard drive (Audio CDs and movie DVDs) and for installation, backup and moving data use USB drives. That's because I lose track of the times I've burned a CD or DVD only to find that, even though the burning software said it went fine, there is a problem with it.
When I built my last PC I deliberately bought a moderately cheap USB optical drive that was on sale so that when it starts to show signs of failure I can replace it easily -- it also works with my netbook, which is handy.
Whilst buying a new drive may seem a little drastic if it's 5 years old and very unreliable then provided you can afford it it may be real answer. If you have some "air duster" though or an alcohol cleaning fluid and a swab to run over the lens then there's nothing wrong with giving it a go.
I understand completely, because I've had the same damned problem for months: my distros displaying strange errors ranging from the minor and subtle (commands in my everyday applications inexplicably not working as expected) to the glaring (system unable to boot and/or shut down properly). It's made me interested in net installing (just to eliminate the problem of bad optical discs or drives), but as far as I know, net installing is still not as easy as optical disc installation and isn't available for every distro.

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Old 04-20-2013, 01:04 PM   #23
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I install from USB -- either dding the .iso directly or using unetboot. I have used net boot in the past but I haven't managed to find any distros offering it recently, not that I've looked that hard but they don't seem common any more.
 
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Are you familiar with PXE boot?
 
Old 04-20-2013, 01:17 PM   #25
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I thought you needed a bootp server for PXE boot? What I recall was a CD that asked for an IP address on boot and downloaded the installer then booted into it. Or was there some ways of giving a URL to the net boot directly in the BIOS?
I wish I could recall exactly what they were.
 
Old 04-20-2013, 01:40 PM   #26
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I thought you needed a bootp server for PXE boot?
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What I recall was a CD that asked for an IP address on boot and downloaded the installer then booted into it. Or was there some ways of giving a URL to the net boot directly in the BIOS?
I wish I could recall exactly what they were.
The whole point of using PXE is not needing CD/DVD/... at all.

Example:
http://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall
 
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I would use it but I'm not about to leave my PC running 24/7 as a DHCP server and messing with router config and bringing up a virtual DHCP/PXE server is a lot more hassle than using a USB to net boot.
I can see that PXE would be great for a corporate network though, especially with a custom image.
 
Old 04-20-2013, 02:03 PM   #28
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I would use it but I'm not about to leave my PC running 24/7 as a DHCP server and messing with router config and bringing up a virtual DHCP/PXE server is a lot more hassle than using a USB to net boot.
I can see that PXE would be great for a corporate network though, especially with a custom image.
True, PXE is still difficult to use.

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Are you familiar with PXE boot?
No. What is it? From the above, I gather it's a relatively complicated network booting process requiring more effort than I probably want to give.

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It allows you to install from a local network with nothing more than a PXE compatible network card (which is most of them). It's related to how dumb terminals boot but boots to an installer instead.
 
  


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