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codergeek 12-20-2012 03:30 PM

Can I install linux on an apple computer and remove the apple OS?
 
hello everyone,

I am thinking of getting an apple computer but I never used one. I have always been a PC user since 1990. Also, I hear that apple locks down their machines. Does this mean I cannot install linux as my main OS and remove the apple OS? Any clarifications is appreciated but I prefer an answer from an apple user since they own an apple computer and most likely know that answer.

Kustom42 12-20-2012 03:33 PM

Well essentially once you buy the hardware its yours and you can do what you want with it without violating the software license agreements. However, the hardware Mac uses is very rarely compatible with other operating systems and finding drivers is a big problem. You may be able to get a Linux OS to load but getting all the system fully functional would be a big challenge.

codergeek 12-20-2012 03:37 PM

Even if it has an intel chip?

Kustom42 12-20-2012 03:45 PM

It would definitely be much easier with an Intel chip as opposed to the Motorola chips that MAC liked to use.

Try and verify as much hardware as possible on the HCLs first

www.linuxquestions.org/hcl
www.linuxhcl.com

codergeek 12-20-2012 03:50 PM

A linux liveCD would be a good bet but I doubt they'll would let me do that in the apple store :/

Thanks Kustom42 for the info and fast replies.

peonuser 12-20-2012 05:39 PM

If one has no plans to use the mac software, why get one. You can get the equivalent hardware for a fraction of the cost. I used to run ubuntu and Debian on the old new world ppc based g3 macs that I bought for a song. If you have to have a mac, you can certainly get virtual machine software and run linux that way. Mepis linux at one time supported the new mac intel boxes.

Knightron 12-20-2012 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peonuser (Post 4853976)
If one has no plans to use the mac software, why get one. You can get the equivalent hardware for a fraction of the cost.

Gday mate, i have a macbook pro which i run Opensuse Gnu/Linux on. First i completely agree with the above statement. When i purchased my mac, i hadn't heard of Linux at that time, but if i had have, i wouldn't have got a mac.
The Ubuntu website has great info for installing Ubuntu on a mac, and most of the info is relevant to other distros too.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ma...elInstallation

That should help you heaps.
If you're thinking about one of the mac laptops, like a macbook pro (what i have), i will emphasize the quoted statement. Although i have all the right drivers and stuff, pommed makes the buttons work like a mac, and everything works perfectly; there is one big issue, and that's battery life. OsX is optimized for the drivers and hardware and gets a far better life than any other third part os. This is not only true for Linux, but also mac users who use bootcamp to boot Windows too. If you do a quick search you will find many people who are disappointed with the battery life they get with Windows.

A third thing i'd like to mention. I do not suggest removing OsX. I suggest you shrink the partition instead to a small size and just not use it. This way you can get efi updates from apple.

codergeek 12-20-2012 08:42 PM

I decided. If I get a mac, I will keep the OS on it and either use linux in a VM or use a portion of the disk to dual boot mac and linux.

Thanks to all

khaleel5000 12-26-2012 03:44 AM

so...how did it go coder? Do share your experience with us.

sundialsvcs 12-26-2012 07:42 AM

Much easier to use VMWare to run Linux in a virtual machine, hosted by OS/X.

(Yeah ... VMWare, the commercial product. Buy a copy. And do be sure that the VMWare you get is appropriate for the OS/X version you run.)

Intel chips have hardware support for virtual machines.

codergeek 12-26-2012 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khaleel5000 (Post 4856922)
so...how did it go coder? Do share your experience with us.

Haven't purchased one yet. I am 50/50 if I should do. But If I do buy one, I will post back if the installation of linux on the mac was seamless or chaotic. :)

btmiller 12-30-2012 03:56 AM

Remember, Mac OS X is a *nix systems (in fact, recent versions are actual Unix IIRC, since Apple paid the Open Group for use of the trademark and certification). So you already have bash, sed, awk, etc. easily accessible, and many *nix programs can be installed via MacPorts. So, if you just want to pull up a shell prompt, there's no particular need to install Linux on a VM. However, OS X is based off of BSD, so some of the standard utilities will be slightly different than they would be on Linux.

rob.rice 01-08-2013 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codergeek (Post 4853907)
hello everyone,

I am thinking of getting an apple computer but I never used one. I have always been a PC user since 1990. Also, I hear that apple locks down their machines. Does this mean I cannot install linux as my main OS and remove the apple OS? Any clarifications is appreciated but I prefer an answer from an apple user since they own an apple computer and most likely know that answer.

huge waste of money
Don't Do It

apple computers are the cheapest crap there ever was
priced like a rolls built like a ugo

at one time they were the best computers out there
but
now there just more made in china no quality JUNK

lupusarcanus 01-09-2013 10:50 AM

I think you actually have to keep MacOS on there because of ReFIT. I bought a MacBook Pro and didn't like it much. If you want Linux, get a Lenovo ThinkPad instead. Cheaper and better. Only reason to get a Mac is MacOS and if you don't care much for MacOS then getting a Mac is an epic waste of resources.

peonuser 01-11-2013 08:49 PM

Apple has a history of dropping support for their existing products soon as they have some new toy to come out. You do not want to get in that revolving door that shrinks your financial resources.


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