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Old 04-05-2005, 02:27 PM   #1
Crashed_Again
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BSD Community?


hehe...so I had a dumb question about OpenBSD and I posted it in the BSD forum. Here is the responses I got:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...hreadid=308218

Helpfull and derogatory simaltaneously.

I hate to stereotype but this is the exact response I've gotten with every BSD person I've come in contact with.

Does the BSD license require you to belittle everybody who doesn't know what you know?
 
Old 04-05-2005, 02:29 PM   #2
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It's in the fine print.





Seriously, I haven't had that much correspondence with BSDers, but what I have, they have seemed perfectly fine, and helpful.
 
Old 04-05-2005, 02:40 PM   #3
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On this forum, the BSD community is significantly smaller than the Linux community. I have generally had good responses from the bsd community, though sometimes help may be a bit slow coming. I wouldn't get disheartened, these things can happen on any forum.
 
Old 04-05-2005, 02:44 PM   #4
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I'm not disheartened. I just find it interesting.

If somebody asks a question to me like:

"How do you install a .rpm?"

I don't respond with:

"OMFG. If you would just read the pages you would know. God you are so stupid. That is like the easiest thing to do in Linux and your asking me how to do it. I can't believe how dumb you are. Since you can't read its:

rpm -ivh <package>"

I jump at the chance to help this person. I was a noob once too and it can be tough.

I'm not a developer so I feel my role in the this whole thing is to at least try and help others learn Linux. People need help and I don't mind them asking.

Maybe its just me though.
 
Old 04-05-2005, 04:15 PM   #5
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I don't agree with the way he went about giving you the info but frob23 does have a point. You even stated yourself that you should have read on in the docs, but gave up to look for a quicker answer and then waited till you got the answer from the forum.

I love helping people as well and that is why I am in the computer industry, but there is a difference in helping someone and doing it for them. The acronym RTFM didn't come about for absolutely no reason. It wasn't because people didn't want to help others, it's that those people didn't want to help themselves by doing the appropriate research. I know if I have an issue the first things I want to do is post a question so I can get the issue resolved quickly, but that doesn't teach me anything. That is why I go to www.google.com and do a search on the subject or come directly here and do a search. If I can't find the answers online via google, LQ, the distros website or the man pages I will post it here. I try to teach myself the solution for the problem by searching for the solution.

Like I said at the beginning I don't agree with the way he said it, but I do agree with the meaning.
 
Old 04-05-2005, 04:16 PM   #6
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Sorry Crashed_Again, but it's pretty much your fault. You are the one actually poking BSD'ers with a stick:

Quote:
"Okay 65 people viewed this thread and not one response. I guess the bsd community is not as vast or not has helpfull as the linux community. I'll just stick with Linux then."
You are basically "demanding" an answer in a free forum _and_ calling BSD'ers unhelpful. This is a Linux forum, so as mentioned above, the BSD community here is smaller then Linux. Jeremy was just nice enough to give us non-linux forums...

Before insulting a hole community, re-read what you just wrote. You started by far worse then anyone else willing to start a flame-war...

And generalizing BSD'ers as a hole is _always_ bad, just shows one's ignorance...

Last edited by Mega Man X; 04-05-2005 at 04:18 PM.
 
Old 04-05-2005, 04:29 PM   #7
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I stand by everything I said. My statement holds true. If 65 people view a thread and not one responsded then they either:

A: Don't want to help
or
B: Don't know the answer

I didn't demand any answer. I made a statement that was taken as an attack on the BSD community which it was not.

and let me say this; EVERYTHING we discuss that is technical on this forum can be googled. EVERYTHING! So who is to say what falls under the RTFM and good question? If you know the answer because you read it somewhere do you not answer their question and tell the person to go read it somewhere or google it?

Do you, Megaman X, personally decide what questions should be answered and what questions should be googled? Is that your place in this forum?
 
Old 04-05-2005, 04:42 PM   #8
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That is not the point. If you are too lazy to look the question up or just don't want to look the question up why should someone waste their time typing to give you the answer? I will help someone who has tried to find the answer for himself over someone who wants an answer to a question that by his own admission didn't want to look up. I am sorry getting mad at the BSD community on these forums is crazy when you admitted in your first post that you didn't want to read any further in the documentation.

So my question to you is who are you to point fingers at those 65 people who read your post and didn't answer when you had from 03/31 (when you first posted) to 04/04 (when you decided to get huffy and call everyone unhelpful) to answer your own question? By my count that is 5 days in which you could have read maybe 10 pages of text in the same documents you had been reading previously? Come on now. Getting mad at other people because they are probably helping other people that deserve the help? Sounds rather selfish.
 
Old 04-05-2005, 04:46 PM   #9
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I would go with B: "Don't know the answer". Because in a public forum, peoples (at least most of them...) are here to help. I doubt somebody just browsed, knew the answer and left you alone over there watching the stars... (there would be some jerks around though, as there're everywhere else).

I found you a valuable member and realize that you have a point. However, here your point is less valuable... let me explain you why: This is a Linux forum mainly. What you did is the same as going inside a Mc Donald's, asking for a Kebab and wonder why the heck they did not filled in your order _and_ blame McDonald's for offering a bad service. If you have put this question in a "real" BSD forum, I could agree a bit more with you...

And generalizing is always wrong. I for one use FreeBSD, but I'm not quite comfortable with it yet to give (wrong) advices to peoples in a forum. Does that make me evil for not answering your question? So that also makes a hole country evil because their leader is a monkey? That's just stupid to think like that...

And a word of advice for the newbies too: When you feel that you can help somebody with simple questions, please do. It's always good to help and it's natural that the "oldies" got tired of answering the same questions all over again...

Last edited by Mega Man X; 04-05-2005 at 04:49 PM.
 
Old 04-05-2005, 05:14 PM   #10
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1) I am one of those 65 views you had before my response. Please note: views is not equal to different viewers. So, a lot less than 65 people actually viewed the thread.

2) I am not an OpenBSD user and, as such, I did not feel comfortable stating my understanding of the problem without further research... research you could/should have done on your own.

3) You heap accusations of unhelpfulness on all the *BSD community and get upset when someone points out that you admitted you stopped three minutes short of finding the answer on your own and demanded that it be provided for you.

So... I went and read the OpenBSD page on packages and ports. The same one you had to have read to even begin posting that question. I posted the answer... and then I went to google and turned up a solution in under 10 minutes... using the same/similar terms from your own post.

Good things come to those that help themselves.

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PS. Yes, the attitude is in the fine print.

Okay, fine... it isn't. But your attitude warranted the attitude you provoked. As it has been stated, this site is mostly for Linux people... the BSD community is small. Most of the BSD community uses only FreeBSD... so you had an even smaller subset of people with the knowledge and experience to answer your question. And finally, of the very small percentage of people qualified to provide an answer... not all of them would have needed to solve the problem you had and thus would not know the answer.

65 views and you act like the entire BSD community is nailing you to a cross. If you are seeking a crucification, you had better believe I'm coming with my own hammer and nails.
 
Old 04-05-2005, 06:46 PM   #11
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Okey dokey. I am closing this thread, and will leave you with this comment:
no one is guaranteed an answer, no one can expect an answer. If the answer is coming quick enough DO NOT sit back and wait - do some research, hit some keys, gather some more troubleshooting information and then reply to your own post with more info. That may prompt someone's knowledge and get you an answer.

Really though, if you are unhappy with the way someone answered your question - maybe they were rude or you felt they were rude - the best way to do something about it is to report them to a moderator. Starting a thread to complain about a thread is counterproductive.
 
  


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