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Old 09-30-2015, 04:44 AM   #1
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Brave New world + 1984 = Nowadays, am I being paranoid?


-TVs that can hear you
-Cellphones that nobody knows/cares what they share, or save.
-TV shows with no content but gossip
-Information saturation so that nobody knows how to distinguish what is a new from what is not, or what is important
-A lot of internet wasted time, youtube, facebook, twitter
-Almost no privacy

I have the feeling that everything I do is being logged, any purchase, any navigation in the internet, any phone call, whatsapp message, phone picture, medical records, etc.

Do we still have free will, or are we all sheep following what someone decides that has to be followed?

I think I have free will, but, with all the advertisements I see at the end of the day, is it me deciding what to do or have I been manipulated?

what do you think, am I being paranoid?
 
Old 09-30-2015, 04:49 AM   #2
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Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.

Big Brother imposed itself - today everyone gives all that, and more, away for nothing.
I keep a copy of 1984 on my e-reader as a salutary lesson.
 
Old 09-30-2015, 05:52 AM   #3
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Ask your doctor for anti psychotics, it'll go away, you won't care about anything...
 
Old 09-30-2015, 06:10 AM   #4
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Ask your doctor for anti psychotics, it'll go away, you won't care about anything...
heh... yes, that sure should work, ignorance is bliss.

Then I would go to the Gym to get bigger muscles, watch some stupid show, laugh stupidly and post my opinion on facebook or twitter...

and be, one of us, one of us, one of us...
 
Old 09-30-2015, 06:16 AM   #5
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I have the feeling that everything I do is being logged
It is not now. It has been that way for a while. Television shows with no content and more misinformation that information have always been there and have nothing to do a 1984-like world, but one thing that does that you left off your list is cameras watching our every move.
 
Old 09-30-2015, 06:34 AM   #6
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Yes I fully understand that everything is being logged.

It seems to be a heightened awareness of these things.

The optimist/cynic in my wonders if eventually something will come to a peak (probably in nowhere's-ville, somewhere) where a court test will be filed against "monitoring by a private company" and maybe it'll go all the way up the ladder. I do wonder if eventually there may be legislation about private monitoring and thus heightened scrutiny of what we coin as "official" or government monitoring as well. But I don't know.

As far as worry about my habits for purposes of marketing and tracking? Well, "they" know where I am. I haven't moved, and I owe a lot on my house, so I'm sort of not going anywhere. For marketing, well whenever I buy stuff, I buy what I want. I look for what I want, when I want it.

And personally I seem to get a LOT of advertisements about stuff which I subconsciously filter but I feel are way off. For instance, I have been married for over a quarter of a century. I have never had an account on any dating website, nor visited them, the worst I got is LinkedIn, and I don't do Facebook. But yet on my fantasy football screen I see tons of ads for dating. That's almost a "push" marketing theme. It's like they're shoving stuff at me, assuming/hoping that I bite on it. Sadly they get an occasional microsecond hit because the bleeping ad pops up "conveniently" just as I'm about to select a RB and shift them over to the bench and briefly my browser ends up starting to head for that advertised site and I have to hit BACK-BACK-BACK and swear! Suggestion might be instead that they offer me stuff about great vacation getaways for me and the wife, or maybe jewelry ads for upcoming anniversaries. And that raises an immediate "miss" thought too. Surprisingly (or not) I've ordered jewelry online, and done so a moderate amount. Why? Because I get it sent to work or a relatives house where the wife won't see a gift for her arrive! How come Zales, Jared, and so forth aren't a poppin' up on my screen and instead I'm being offered married cheater women? I mean I know that sounds revealing, but honestly, it ain't! Unless the demographic of middle aged fantasy football player guys and baseball fans happen to cheat on their wives ...

So they ain't doin' too good by my book. Maybe they can find me, maybe not, but they clearly don't understand me.
 
Old 09-30-2015, 08:05 AM   #7
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Yes, we definitely live in a "surveillance society." But, "Big Brother" is not what you have reason to be concerned about. The enormous risk is in the private sector: corporations.

There has not yet been a concerted public outcry, but it is coming. My fear is that it will come only after the degree of our Folly has been "catastrophically demonstrated."

When we talk on the telephone, there are laws against wiretapping. When we mail a letter, there are laws against steaming the letter open. But, today, your car is "on line," and it is videotaping you. (Look closely at the little black dome under the center of the windshield. See the little round circle in front, that's pointing directly at you? That's a camera.) Your computer is also filming you, and eavesdropping on your house, as is your television and cell-phone ... which is also transmitting your exact location.

What's being collected? Where's it going? Who has access to it? How's it being stored? No one knows, no one knows, no one knows.

But we do know that countries like the United States freely "import" millions of foreign nationals, and even allowed foreign companies to set up shop on American soil and to "import" their workers (and pay them third-world wages and house them in third-world conditions), all in the name of evading American labor and tax laws saving money ... in I.T. There are so many that they officially profess "not to know how many," even though (of course) they've issued a credential to every single one. (The H-1B program supposedly has limits ... the L-1 and other programs do not.) So, we know that people who come from places who are extremely hostile to us "know everything," and "have access to everything." And yet, we pay no more attention to them than we did to the "maintenance and construction workers" who spent so much time in WTC buildings 1, 2, and 7 in the summer of 2001.

To clarify: that's not a "tin-foil hat," "racist" statement. Among many millions of hard-working, salt-of-the-earth people, there are some ... who are not. And, you don't know who or where they are. (It does not take many.) They all smile at you. Human nature dictates that, if you create opportunity, it will be exploited. And if you officially deny the risk or the extent of what you're doing, "looking the other way" merely in the name of Money, then the exploit is that much easier. History says it has happened before. Therefore, it will happen is happening again.

And then, there's "the happy little Cloud." Data centers are put all over the world, and tied directly into the sanctum sanctorum of American businesses (and, other nations' businesses, as well), just to save labor and electric power costs. But these data centers are not governed by American law, are not staffed by American workers, and are tens of thousands of miles away from effective governance. Once more, no one seems the slightest bit concerned.

Did you notice that every store and public place now offers "free wi-fi?" Did you ever stop and consider why? Because your probably-unprotected cell phone will probably "promiscuously connect" to any and every public network that it encounters, and when it does so, that network can basically sift-through its contents at will. ("For 'marketing reasons,' of course ... Just 'marketing reasons.'")

I really don't cotton to the notion that something has to "blow up in your face" to convey the point that can "blow up."

Also, I think that as an industry (and this means, "your job ..."), we are being extremely naive to assume that the present status-quo will continue. I don't care how much money Google is making. When the world's public is confronted with what we have done, and/or have allowed to happen, there will be Hell to pay. (See preceding paragraph.) Either we become the ones who turn against this, first, and act to shape public policy and law in ways that protect the "national(!) security" of our individual citizens, or we face professional disaster and incalculable legal liability.

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Old 09-30-2015, 09:49 AM   #8
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Welcome to the 21st century!
 
Old 09-30-2015, 10:03 AM   #9
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I guess a lot of linux users have not experienced being a life long biker like I have.

There has been a hard copy on file for me for decades. Any time I get pulled over. I get told about the 1970's.

Tinfoil does not wear well in the desert. It gives you heat stroke.
 
Old 09-30-2015, 10:12 AM   #10
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I am too busy living to care about who is watching me, or what I do.
 
Old 09-30-2015, 10:16 AM   #11
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Yes, we definitely live in a "surveillance society." But, "Big Brother" is not what you have reason to be concerned about. The enormous risk is in the private sector: corporations.
So, do you think the state and the private sector are two different things? Private corporations (Google, MS, etc.) pass information about their customers to the government (to some governments, to be specific), which shows that the state and the private sector are essentially part of the same thing. So, I don't see any separation at all.

This collusion is actually VERY worrying since it gives absolute power to a few people to govern/surveil the population/fool people/tailor a nation's policies to their own needs/make wars/etc.
 
Old 09-30-2015, 11:37 AM   #12
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-TV shows with no content but gossip
-Information saturation so that nobody knows how to distinguish what is a new from what is not, or what is important
-A lot of internet wasted time, youtube, facebook, twitter
These two are personal lifestyle choices.
 
Old 09-30-2015, 12:52 PM   #13
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-A lot of internet wasted time, youtube, facebook, twitter
I'm glad that LQ didn't make it on that list. Time spent doing what you want isn't time wasted.

I used to joke that people in the government sector ought to read 1984, but then I stopped, because they probably did, but instead of feeling horrified they would say, boy, look at all of these awesome ideas!
 
Old 09-30-2015, 01:41 PM   #14
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I tried to read 1984 and it became repetetive, dull, and out of date so I had to stop. I may be wrong but having visited cold-war Warsawa I think I have seen the broadcasts Orwell based it upon and wondered myself, as a child, whether these people on the screen could see me.
Anyhow, my point being 1984 is outdated as the world I type this in os several degrees of magnitude more controlled.
I think John Twelve Hawks's novels go into it and William Gibson is less worried by it but his prose goes into greated depth.
 
Old 09-30-2015, 02:29 PM   #15
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I know that government and private sector are "in cahoots," but I actually trust the government(!) to know more about data security, "classified materials" and so-forth than the private sector, which I recognize to have a pure-profit motive.

I am greatly disturbed that both private and public/secret sector alike have dumpster-dived into becoming "surveillance organizations," without IMHO paying necessary attention to what is being collected, where it is, who has access to it, and so on. "Knowledge Is Power," and we don't seem to be paying the slightest attention to just who we are "empowering."

Personally, I don't want to be paying the NSA to be just a data collection agency: I want to see it providing comprehensive security ... not just to the USA as in "the government," but the USA "as a collection of hundreds of millions of individuals" who, today, find themselves more exposed and therefore vulnerable than ever before in our human history. (It is, in fact, an international problem. "Your country, too.")

These are vulnerabilities of a type that has never before existed because it has never before been possible ... and I fear that our national policies and approaches are still stuck in the Cold War. I want more for my money ... more that is of direct benefit to me, and to hundreds of millions of "ordinary" people like me.

Now that "ordinary people" can be directly "touched," they can likewise be directly harmed. This utterly redefines what "war" is, or can be. Given that we cannot expunge "war" from our human nature, we should bluntly expect it to transform. And, not be caught flat-footed ... which I would consider dereliction of duty.

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