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Old 07-12-2011, 06:56 PM   #1231
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Your welcome. Pleasure to help.

I don't get the impression you are here to learn anything at all. Just drive your own point even when others with much more experience tell you otherwise. Again, look at the definition and see which category you fall into.

can't say i've noticed much of what of others have said up to now but you do certainly stand out and i do appreciate your responses

as to others who might be like minded i would appreciate if they would let me know right know, i will then know further where i have little interest in linux, and go elsewhere

save everyone some time or bother

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Old 07-12-2011, 07:10 PM   #1232
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can't say i've noticed much of what of others have said up to now but you do certainly stand out and i do appreciated your responses

as to others who might be like minded i would appreciate if they would let me know right know, i will then know where i have little interest in linux, and go elsewhere

save everyone some time
Your interest in Linux shouldn't be based on others opinion. It should be based out YOUR opinion. Do like I did when I was picking my first distro. Find one that is easy to install and get your feet wet on. I picked Mandrake, now Mandriva. It is super easy to install and not to bad on upgrades, at least for a while. If after a few months, Linux sort of rubs off on you, try another distro , two or more if needed. When you get to that point, you are looking for something that you can handle as far as upgrades go. Me, I picked Gentoo. It is rather advanced according to some people but I wouldn't trade it for anything. It's as close to source as you can get except for Linux from Scratch. It has some of the best docs around and fixes done in Gentoo usually end up in other distros as well. I installed Gentoo when I was six months into Linux.

If you currently use windoze and think you may want to keep the install around, buy a second hard drive. You don't need a large expensive one. A 100Gb used one will do fine. You could most likely install 3 or 4 distros on that with little problem. Advice on having multiple installs, have a common /home and a common /boot partition. It makes managing them all easier.

Again, use your own judgement as to what you like. Linux is like BBQ. Everyone likes different flavors and cooking styles. Linux has a LOT of flavors and cooking styles to choose from.

 
Old 07-12-2011, 07:19 PM   #1233
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oh maan, some kinda miscommunication going on here, i did all of that years ago

first thing i did when i started about 5 years ago was go through as many as possible, so many i don't remember it all, i was thrilled, just ended up liking puppy most at the time

i guess i can say that what is important to me now is much more that running a distro

i wanna know what the distro is about from the get go

and i'm not interested in lousy attitudes, which i've seen plenty of

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Old 07-12-2011, 07:20 PM   #1234
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It is a shame, really. Few months ago you were able to come up with more interesting arguments that were actually based on something, and now you're in full "fanboy mode" - embarked on a "holy" quest to prove entire world that windows is "bad". This is really unfortunate.
I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone- just trying to refute some of your Windows fanboyism, while stating the fact that I find Linux to be not only viable, but much more efficient and pleasant than Windows. The only people I would seek to evangelize, are those who are frustrated and having trouble with their Windows OS, and who may not realize that Windows is their problem (not their hardware) nor that there is an alternative, besides expensive and restrictive Macs.

How many times have I said it already in this thread?: I'm glad Linux exists so I can use it. If I see others who are in a similar predicament as I was in when using Windows, I try and make them aware that there are alternatives. Other than that, I could care less who uses Windows or Linux or Macs.

I do like to counter your arguments though, to give a more realistic view to the many silent viewers who may be reading this- perhaps contemplating switching to Linux. To them I say: Try it and see for yourself!

And if the truth be known, I prefer things that are unpopular. I've NEVER conformed to current fashions...I'd be embarrassed to listen to popular music or be familiar with a current TV show...I like to be different; I don't identify with the majority; I generally view things which are "in" or approved of by the majority as being crass and of poor quality....so if anything, it would be in my best interest to keep Linux obscure and out of the hands of the masses. So if I were truly biased, I would let your comments go unrefuted.
 
Old 07-12-2011, 07:48 PM   #1235
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i wanna know what the distro is about from the get go
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml

http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/philosophy.xml

I would think most distros have some page with this sort of information. Here is another unofficial page about Gentoo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux

I haven't read the page but it is most likely somewhat correct. I'm sure other distros have a similar page.

 
Old 07-12-2011, 07:55 PM   #1236
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I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone- just trying to refute some of your..
hey, we should start a club ahh the bane of forums
 
Old 07-12-2011, 07:59 PM   #1237
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I would think most distros have some page with this sort of information. Here is another unofficial page about Gentoo:
hey thx for the links, i have been outa the loop for awhile, and didn't pay much attention to the politics before

might you know a gn2 in your forums and is he still active?

not even sure if he went by that sig there

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Old 07-12-2011, 08:13 PM   #1238
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hey thx for the links, i have been outa the loop for awhile, and didn't pay much attention to the politics before

might you know a gn2 in your forums and is he still active?

not even sure if he went by that sig there
I couldn't find a user by that name. No idea on that one.

 
Old 07-12-2011, 08:26 PM   #1239
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had a quick look a those links and my first thoughts are WOW, jumps right out at you in so many ways, looks professional and a message that certainly appeals to me

it was one distro that i didn't get around to before

http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/philosophy.xml

this part jumps out at me and heyy ..looky at the last part
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The goal of Gentoo is to strive to create near-ideal tools. Tools that can accommodate the needs of many different users all with divergent goals. Don't you love it when you find a tool that does exactly what you want to do? Doesn't it feel great? Our mission is to give that sensation to as many people as possible.
i'd call that a great attitude and philosophy and maaaan, 700 developers, i had no idea, talk about living in a cave...

then again, seems to confirm a main point that i put forward

anyway thx again, looking forward to checking it out further

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Old 07-12-2011, 08:41 PM   #1240
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had a quick look a those links and my first thought are WOW, jumps right out at you in so many ways, looks professional and a message that certainly appeals to me

it was one distro that i didn't get around to before

http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/philosophy.xml

this part jumps out at me and heyy ..looky at the last part


i'd call that a great attitude and philosophy and maaaan, 700 developers, i had no idea, talk about living in a cave...

then again, seems to confirm a main point that i put forward

anyway thx again, looking forward to checking it out further
If you have a Linux install already, you can install Gentoo from it. I put it on a second drive for mine. I had Mandrake on the first one and put Gentoo on the second one. Gentoo, since it doesn't have a GUI installer, has some excellent docs. It takes time tho. You need a couple days at least. It may not take that long but you don't want to feel rushed.

To make sure you can do the install from your current install, type in chroo and then hit tab twice. If the chroot command pops up, you should be ready to go.

People talk about how hard it is to install but the install is really the hardest part. You learn a LOT about how Gentoo works during the install.

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handboo....xml#doc_chap2

 
Old 07-12-2011, 09:14 PM   #1241
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hopefully and i'd assume gentoo is out there to run via vmware player for a start, i could get that going quick

one of the big changes and i'd call it a big breakthrough at the time for linux was folks could check it out via live cd and go from there

all of a sudden something easy peasy

i still vividly recall the wonders and opportunities of trying out all these new toys when it was all brand new

gonna be great to have a look at something again, that will be for the first time

it will also be interesting to actively see what's going on out there

i also had no idea of the number of members here

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Old 07-13-2011, 12:26 AM   #1242
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hopefully and i'd assume gentoo is out there to run via vmware player for a start, i could get that going quick

one of the big changes and i'd call it a big breakthrough at the time for linux was folks could check it out via live cd and go from there

all of a sudden something easy peasy

i still vividly recall the wonders and opportunities of trying out all these new toys when it was all brand new

gonna be great to have a look at something again, that will be for the first time

it will also be interesting to actively see what's going on out there

i also had no idea of the number of members here
Not much in Gentoo is quick. Word of advice on hardware, if you don't have really good cooling for your system, don't even try Gentoo. Gentoo requires you to compile about every package there is. They do have some binaries for some like Open Office and such but most everything is compiled according to your specs. Here is a example for my system:

Code:
Estimated update time: 12 hours, 50 minutes.
If I recompile everything installed, that is how long it will take. As a example, if I wanted to reinstall from scratch, it would take me about 15 hours or so. About 13 of it with the computer compiling and the rest where I am editing config files etc. Gentoo is not plug and play by no means.

I have no idea on vmware. I know people talk about it on the mailing list but I have never had one. If I was going to install Gentoo, I would do it for real.

I don't think there is a Gentoo CD that works like Knoppix or anything either. It has a bootable CD that can be used to install from but not something you can just use to check out KDE or something.

 
Old 07-13-2011, 10:54 AM   #1243
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Puppy = Chevy; "windows"=bicycle.

Sumquy said:

"Now I can see where you're coming from, though. Puppy is good for what it was intended for....but from what I know of it, it can hardly be compared to a full-featured OS -so comparing that to Windows, is like comparing a bicycle to a Chevy. But when you get into the bigger and better Linux distros, then you have a Mercedes or a Porsche to race against the Chevy!" end quote.

Well, I'm using Mint10, (a dirivative of Ubuntu). It is truly a "full featured OS" I like it very much.

But I also like Puppy a lot. Your quite right that comparing Puppy to windows is like comparing a bicycle to a Chevy. Windows is like a bicycle compared to Puppy (The Chevy).
 
Old 07-13-2011, 11:56 AM   #1244
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ok, what am i missing about the last bit here?
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The goal of Gentoo is to strive to create near-ideal tools. Tools that can accommodate the needs of many different users all with divergent goals. Don't you love it when you find a tool that does exactly what you want to do? Doesn't it feel great? Our mission is to give that sensation to as many people as possible.
hey dalek, turns out there's some gentoo vm stuff out there

looking forward to that first time start up for me

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/dir...t/508?k=gentoo

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Old 07-13-2011, 12:02 PM   #1245
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well i've seen puppyite say here that ~ puppy linux is the best distro out there period

can't say i've heard the rationale before

but i do have some experience with it, and there are certainly aspects that i found superlative, that i did not find elsewhere at the time

been outa the scene for a bit though so not sure what's going on out there now

the only thing i can say about intent is there is a mission statement out there that i don't think has changed from the outset

Certainly one is ~ "as easy as possible" witch again, i've seen none other that even come close, but that would be just to get started with up and running

hey, a light ~ 100 meg d'load to start certainly has mass appeal

used to took me a few minutes to get on the net and the other beaut is not having to mess with beloved win and you can boot either or
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Sumquy said:

"Now I can see where you're coming from, though. Puppy is good for what it was intended for....but from what I know of it, it can hardly be compared to a full-featured OS -so comparing that to Windows, is like comparing a bicycle to a Chevy. But when you get into the bigger and better Linux distros, then you have a Mercedes or a Porsche to race against the Chevy!" end quote.

Well, I'm using Mint10, (a dirivative of Ubuntu). It is truly a "full featured OS" I like it very much.

But I also like Puppy a lot. Your quite right that comparing Puppy to windows is like comparing a bicycle to a Chevy. Windows is like a bicycle compared to Puppy (The Chevy).

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