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Old 05-06-2011, 10:02 AM   #976
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I am going to call troll on nec207 here. In support of this declaration I list the following threads:
  1. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...indows-878169/
  2. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...the-os-876855/
  3. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...-lunix-876854/
  4. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...od-gui-876851/

Since registering two weeks ago, nec2007 has posted more than 60 times and started the four threads listed above. In each of these threads nec2007 repeatedly posts 'flame bait' attempts to incite arguments around Windows versus Linux. In fact, I have never seen as many references to Windows in this forum as I have in these threads. These comments are clearly not aimed towards gaining understanding but rather to goad the members of this forum to defend the Linux philosophy. They have started threads and engaged in this process in the security, newbie, programming, and hardware forums. They have made several one line statements that are inflammatory and in response gotten long, heated discussions. They have been quoting unsupported information, often times uses bold text to shout nonsense. When these statements don't produce the desired results, they turn to calling others rude and ignorant.

This is enough of this nonsense and I would ask for the forum moderators, win32Sux or unSpawn, to please review these threads and nec2007's posts in particular.
I'm going to have to agree with this.
 
Old 05-06-2011, 10:33 AM   #977
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Have you ever heard of "Linux"?
That depends on your definitions. It's true that nothing is free. Linux may be free of cost, but you still have to learn it and "unlearn" Windows, for example. How much is your time worth?

Semantics, I know
 
Old 05-06-2011, 10:40 AM   #978
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That depends on your definitions. It's true that nothing is free. Linux may be free of cost, but you still have to learn it and "unlearn" Windows, for example. How much is your time worth?

Semantics, I know
But what if you don't know Windows in the first place?

Also, that's kind of irrelavent becasue the OP specifically meant "no money". He tried to make a point that downloading anything that doesn't cost money will install malware and/or is illegal. I just wanted to tell him that if that's so, then how come I just downloaded a whole OS (a real quality OS, not some useless toy) and a bunch of great software for it for free, and it's perfectly secure and legal?

By the way, he should check out SourceForge, too.

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Old 05-06-2011, 10:50 AM   #979
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I'm going to have to agree with this.
+2
I get a whiff of troll poo as well
 
Old 05-06-2011, 11:21 AM   #980
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Moved to General.
 
Old 05-06-2011, 11:43 AM   #981
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But what if you don't know Windows in the first place?

Also, that's kind of irrelavent becasue the OP specifically meant "no money". He tried to make a point that downloading anything that doesn't cost money will install malware and/or is illegal. I just wanted to tell him that if that's so, then how come I just downloaded a whole OS (a real quality OS, not some useless toy) and a bunch of great software for it for free, and it's perfectly secure and legal?

By the way, he should check out SourceForge, too.
Oh, I know - I was just being difficult I agree with you, obviously. I have downloaded my fair share of "shady" stuff from the net and not once have I contracted malware or viruses from doing so - but that's because I'm careful. I'm sure the RIAA/MPAA/Big Brother would love for everybody to share the OP's views. Not only is downloading free stuff illegal - it'll kill your computer stone dead (add as many exclamation marks as you think that deserves).

That doesn't really explain to the masses that these things are merely channels and not everything you can get for free from the Internet has to be violating any laws at all. But for some, if it came from the net and you didn't pay for it, you're a filthy pirate. I doubt, for example, that my ISP would be able to (or care to) distinguish between me using BitTorrent to download the latest Fedora release (which, say, happens to be from a torrent file hosted on The Pirate Bay) or a Tron Legacy DVD rip. However, the very fact that I'm using BitTorrent probably reasonably fairly indicates that I might well be violating somebody's copyright and about to watch Sam Flynn get sucked into The Grid courtesy of Disney

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Old 05-06-2011, 11:50 AM   #982
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+2
I get a whiff of troll poo as well
+3.

I'm starting to wonder if he and Coresay are the same poster, since they both registered in the same week (within two days of each other) and they have such similar debating styles.

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Old 05-06-2011, 12:38 PM   #983
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+3.

I'm starting to wonder if he and Coresay are the same poster, since they both registered in the same week (within two days of each other) and they have such similar debating styles.
They're probably Steve Ballmer.
 
Old 05-06-2011, 04:06 PM   #984
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I am going to call troll on nec207 here. In support of this declaration I list the following threads:
  1. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...indows-878169/
  2. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...the-os-876855/
  3. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...-lunix-876854/
  4. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...od-gui-876851/

Since registering two weeks ago, nec2007 has posted more than 60 times and started the four threads listed above. In each of these threads nec2007 repeatedly posts 'flame bait' attempts to incite arguments around Windows versus Linux. In fact, I have never seen as many references to Windows in this forum as I have in these threads. These comments are clearly not aimed towards gaining understanding but rather to goad the members of this forum to defend the Linux philosophy. They have started threads and engaged in this process in the security, newbie, programming, and hardware forums. They have made several one line statements that are inflammatory and in response gotten long, heated discussions. They have been quoting unsupported information, often times uses bold text to shout nonsense. When these statements don't produce the desired results, they turn to calling others rude and ignorant.

This is enough of this nonsense and I would ask for the forum moderators, win32Sux or unSpawn, to please review these threads and nec2007's posts in particular.
huu ??

show me one thraed where I'm debating with member here saying you are wrong other than list I posted of do not do on the internet?

No the problem with this thread I never should have posted do not do on the internet as it is off topic.

Can the moderator split this thread where I started to say do not do on the internet as it is making the post off topic.
 
Old 05-06-2011, 04:12 PM   #985
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Moved to General.
When I posted the list do not do on the internet it is making this thread going off topic.Can you split this thread keep the thread in security section of the thread topic windows and Linux myths and the off topic of do not do on the internet move to General.

I will delete my rude post that is leading to flame war with me.And you can delete the other post that came after it.

Try to get this thread on topic.


Note post 25 when I posted list do not do on the internet is making this thread off topic.Can the moderator split the thread post 25 and move to Generala has it is off topic and has nothing to do with windows and Linux myths.

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Old 05-06-2011, 04:18 PM   #986
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I doubt that nec207 is a troll.

The I think that the bloated OS thread got out of hand mostly because if his ignorance and not understanding programming-based explanations (although he did ask if there are "any programmers that understand the OS"). He also asked a few legit-looking questions about getting Linux, and one of them is solved now. But no mention of him trying Linux yet (maybe he's afraid of it becasue it's a free download ).
 
Old 05-07-2011, 04:01 AM   #987
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Hey kids! Guess what Uncle XavierP has realised? That's right, this thread shouldn't be allowed to roam free all by itself, it'll just get lost. To protect it, I have asked this thread to look after it like a big brother should.
 
Old 05-07-2011, 04:59 AM   #988
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After many years of using various linux distros, one OS was always installed, just sitting there waiting for a chance to pounce - WinXP. No matter what primary OS is - redhat, mandrake,ubuntu, debian; WinXP is always there, lurking in the shadows, whispering boot me, boot me. Then, of course, as I finally boot it, for the first time in months, it wants to update and reboot. Back to grub selection.. sorry WinXP you've had your chance.. see you in another 3 months.
 
Old 05-09-2011, 03:26 AM   #989
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Goodnight and goodluck to one and all ...even to the troll!!!!
 
Old 05-09-2011, 02:39 PM   #990
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A point to make for Nec207

Computers are not magically infected. For a computer to become infected, a combination of ALL of the below must happen :

A. The content in question must be executable software
B. The software must be malicious
C. The software must be downloaded to the local computer
D. The software must be run on the local computer

Eliminate any one of those, and your computer remains clean



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Here is list of do not do or you will get malware from reading computer books and times in past I got malware.

1-free music
2-free movies
3-free games
4-free software/program
5-free stuff
6. porn of any sort hard ,soft ,fettish
7-read every spam and junk mail
8-P2P and torrent
9.cracks and secuity keys




You get malware in less than a day trying to so this!! I say again YOU WILL get Malware in LESS THAN DAY trying to do this.

And google image search is not safe .

If you must use google image search make sure the filter is on SafeSearch strict.Do not key any thing in the search box Popstars , American idols, celebrities ,fashion,people or blogs or anyone of above.


Never try to get wallpaper ,themes or bachgrounds or skins for computer?I know Pop-ups and ads can be easily blocked with firefox adblockplus.The Adblock Plus for firfox will block most Pop-ups and ads .

DO Not click on pictures or links . If a pop up does come up use ctr-alt-delete to bring up task manager to close it never try to click the x or close on the pop up.You must turn HTML off in the e-mail program and turn off active-X ASAP.

If a site has alot of pop ups and ads get out of the site ASAP.

Doing simple rules it cut down on most of the malware.


Free stuff you mentioned can be divided into groups :

Not executable : Pictures (wallpapers, porn, . . .), movies (. . ., porn), music, serial numbers (text files), ebooks etc. They contain no executable code. When you open them, an application which is already installed on the computer (like image viewer or media player) is called to open them. The application reads the content of the image or whatever and decodes it. If the content is really an image etc it will be displayed. If the content is something else, the viewer will fail to decode the file and nothing will happen. So those cannot harm the computer in any way

Executable : Screensavers, software, cracks / keygens. They are executable code. If this code is malicious, it will harm the computer

Interpretable : Flash applications. They are read by an external application (flash player), but can instruct the application to do stuff that can be malicious. Its up to the application to decide whether to obey those instructions. It will harm the computer if the flash application is malicious AND the flash player obeys its malicious instructions



Free software has 2 definitions :

Not paid for : This definition is mostly used by closed source software (like Windows) users, and by you. It implies that you dont have to pay for the software. It does not imply that the software is safe, and in many cases it really is not

Open source : This definition is mostly used by open source software (like Linux) users. It implies that you can technically and legally view and edit the source code of the software. This means that if the software is malicious, it will be easy to spot and repair. So free software in this meaning of free is actually safe, even safer than some paid software

Free (not paid for) software that is malicious (includes adware spyware etc) won't be made free (open source), cause if its open source then its easy to remove the malicious part and redistribute the "cleaned" software. Malicious sofware developers want to prevent this



When you download a file, it is just copied to your disk. It does not have to be opned or executed automatically. So you can download unsafe files, and they wll not infect your computer unless you open them

After downloading a file, detect its type with your operationg system. If it is not executable or interpretable, it is safe to click on it - it will be opened in an application. If it is executable or interpretable (and your interpreter is not very secure), it is a risk. Do you trust the place from where you downloaded it ? if no, then dont open it

Sometimes downloads on wallpaper (or similar) sites download malicious exectutable stuff instead of the wallpaper you wanted. After downloading, detect the type of the file before opening it, and dont open it if its an unexpected executable

Linux (and some other operating systems) dont allow execution of files unless specified by the user. In Linux you can click any downloaded file. If its executable, you'll be notified that it is not allowd to execute and you must allow it, then you know its an executable if you didnt check before



HTTP, email, torrent and other P2P protocols are just ways to download stuff. The stuff you downloaded can be malicious or not, executable or not etc. This does not depend on how you downloaded it

When you download executable or interpretable stuff, dont open stuff that came from a place you don;t trust. In torrents, the torrent itself is a text file that contains data about the download. The text file is not malicious by itself, but can lead to a malicious file. So still ask yourself if you trust the source

Emails sent from friends must NOT be trusted. If the friend's computer is infected, the malware can email itself to others from his mailing list. If you got an unexpected attachment or link from your friend, and he claims he didn;t send it, ask him to test his computer for malware. To protect you (from spam) and him (from spam and malware), dont click links inside the bad email



Spam emails are not dangerous to the computer (you can check their contents and attachments and not execute them), but can cause you to get more spam if you open them. The spammers try to detect whether you opened the email (if you clicked on a link in it, or loaded an invisible image in an HTML email) so they know that you read and its good idea to send you more

Also good suggestion to disable HTML in emails



I am not a Facebook user, but if i understand correctly the "Facebook apps" run inside Facebook and not on the local computer. Then they dont pose any risk to the local computer, at most they can read or damage contents / passwords / etc. in your Facebook profile

(Flash games are interpretable, and pose the same risks as any other interpretable stuff. Use a secure interpreter to prevent the risks)



Anything else (ads / popups / etc) are nuisance but not danger

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