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Old 05-16-2014, 06:17 AM   #1996
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Windows is very bad at transferring lots files to usb drives, it will be slow, more so on an atom. Even my Linux box when I rysnc to an external drive can slow down and appear hung at times.
If you don't want to use the Linxu rsync on windows get the robocopy 'powertool' from Microsoft as its similar. you can use it from the command line and see more of whats going on rather than just a hung explorer window.

W2k was the best Windows OS. You had IE but the normal (file) explorer was separate. When they fully integrated it into XP during the court case they ruined it.
 
Old 05-16-2014, 10:11 AM   #1997
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I guess that is true. Windows 98 is somewhat usable on my 486DX-120 with 64MB RAM which is pretty impressive.
Damn small linux booted on it but unfortunately could not find my net card (which is surprising because Linux has always had good ethernet support)
Hmmm.... That's surprising. Is it a really odd-ball card? Or maybe just the fact that it's so old? (I doubt even DSL is designed with something that old in mind). Just curious: Have you tried Puppy or any other distros on it? (I'd be trying to get it working too- just because it would be cool to actually see it online and see it work! I remember seeing those 'puters being used as Com-cats in the library back in the late 90's...and they seemed old THEN! -even before I even owned a computer )

Hehe....this reminds me of those videos ya see on Youtube, where someone has an old Commodore64 or TRS-80 up and working! (Well, O-K...yours isn't that bad ) (And bear in mind, that I was actually using my 500MHZ WIN98 'puter from 1999, up until 2007! I almost wish that I still had that 'puter- it was rock solid, except for the WIN98- and I have no doubt that it would run something like DSL or Antix quite well)

Hey! There ya go. Have ya tried AntiX on it? (I hate to tout a distro that comes with pre-loaded Marxist bookmarks....but it is an amazing distro for something that fits on a CD)
 
Old 05-16-2014, 12:38 PM   #1998
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It was more than jsut Explorer...CTRL+ALT+DEL didn't do a thing. I waited for about 5 minutes, so I don't think it was jsut hung. Also, I couldn't do anything, which is why I ended up holding the power button. However, it hasn't done it since, but I still don't trust it.
 
Old 05-16-2014, 01:32 PM   #1999
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Hmmm.... That's surprising. Is it a really odd-ball card? Or maybe just the fact that it's so old? (I doubt even DSL is designed with something that old in mind). Just curious: Have you tried Puppy or any other distros on it? (I'd be trying to get it working too- just because it would be cool to actually see it online and see it work! I remember seeing those 'puters being used as Com-cats in the library back in the late 90's...and they seemed old THEN! -even before I even owned a computer )
Its a D-Link DE220 ISA plug n pray card. Shouldn't be terribly rare but I guess DSL doesn't have the right module. I could try puppy or even a full distro I guess. I used
an CF card instead of a mechanical HD so I can switch OSes really easily.

It does work just fine. I am posting from it right now running Win98 and Opera 9.6. I was just curious how it would run with a Linux distro.

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Hey! There ya go. Have ya tried AntiX on it? (I hate to tout a distro that comes with pre-loaded Marxist bookmarks....but it is an amazing distro for something that fits on a CD)
Never heard of it but I will take a look. It doesn't support CD boot so I have to use a bootstrap floppy
 
Old 05-16-2014, 01:41 PM   #2000
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D-link out of the box seems to suck with Linux from my experiences.
 
Old 05-16-2014, 01:42 PM   #2001
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Thank goodness for Ndiswrapper!
 
Old 05-16-2014, 01:46 PM   #2002
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Thank goodness for Ndiswrapper!
It is support to emulate an NE2000 which should be well supported.
I have never had any luck at all with ndiswrapper. For net cards it has either been
it worked with a kernel driver (like 80%) or didn't work at all
 
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My dwl-g510 is quite finicky about which distro and software,
I have never got it working in CLI unless using GUI first then logging out.

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I got Linux to recognize my network card on my single floppy system by passing the ether=0,0x240,eth0 on the kernel command line. Posting from links in text mode

For a text mode browser it is sure RAM hungry. 38MB used. No wonder it doesnt work well on my DX/33 with 24 MB RAM.

Going to reboot and try DSL now just as soon as I find the disk
 
Old 05-16-2014, 07:03 PM   #2005
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Hmmm.... That's surprising. Is it a really odd-ball card? Or maybe just the fact that it's so old? (I doubt even DSL is designed with something that old in mind). Just curious: Have you tried Puppy or any other distros on it? (I'd be trying to get it working too- just because it would be cool to actually see it online and see it work! I remember seeing those 'puters being used as Com-cats in the library back in the late 90's...and they seemed old THEN! -even before I even owned a computer )

Hehe....this reminds me of those videos ya see on Youtube, where someone has an old Commodore64 or TRS-80 up and working! (Well, O-K...yours isn't that bad ) (And bear in mind, that I was actually using my 500MHZ WIN98 'puter from 1999, up until 2007! I almost wish that I still had that 'puter- it was rock solid, except for the WIN98- and I have no doubt that it would run something like DSL or Antix quite well)

Hey! There ya go. Have ya tried AntiX on it? (I hate to tout a distro that comes with pre-loaded Marxist bookmarks....but it is an amazing distro for something that fits on a CD)
If you can still find it there is/was an IP stack and text web browser for the C64.
 
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Funny thing is, we now have 3GHZ 'puters with 4GBs of RAM....and from what I see of people using Windows today, there doesn't appear to be a vast improvement over WIN98 on a 500MHZ 256MB RAM box.....

Considering so much of what computers are used for (browsing, email, general office stuff), can be done quite easily on a low powered computer, when my last Windows game machine died, I just stayed on netbooks with Linux (been on Lubuntu for quite a while). Gaming used to drive my pc purchases/wants, now failing components do.
I would LIKE to build a system, using the I7-4765t processor (35w, hard to come by), because I don't need a high powered system but would like to play with it, and tend to leave them on doing things. I just built a system due to the netbooks keyboard starting to act funny, and picked a dual core celeron, all in one ITX board that will run Megaglest and maybe I will start gaming again. (not going to justify $1000 for a couple of games and pc, like Diablo III) The system is almost completely silent (sounds of a non mechanical keyboard typing drowns it out).
With all the net neutrality stuff going on, until that is resolved, I see more of a point to try to stay away from things that lead to more bills.
 
Old 05-17-2014, 11:13 AM   #2007
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Funny thing is, we now have 3GHZ 'puters with 4GBs of RAM....and from what I see of people using Windows today, there doesn't appear to be a vast improvement over WIN98 on a 500MHZ 256MB RAM box.....
So if KDE 2 is running as fast on such an old box as KDE 4 runs on a new box, can I conclude that their wasn't vast improvement in Linux?
 
Old 05-17-2014, 12:13 PM   #2008
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Considering so much of what computers are used for (browsing, email, general office stuff), can be done quite easily on a low powered computer, when my last Windows game machine died, I just stayed on netbooks with Linux (been on Lubuntu for quite a while). Gaming used to drive my pc purchases/wants, now failing components do.
I would LIKE to build a system, using the I7-4765t processor (35w, hard to come by), because I don't need a high powered system but would like to play with it, and tend to leave them on doing things. I just built a system due to the netbooks keyboard starting to act funny, and picked a dual core celeron, all in one ITX board that will run Megaglest and maybe I will start gaming again. (not going to justify $1000 for a couple of games and pc, like Diablo III) The system is almost completely silent (sounds of a non mechanical keyboard typing drowns it out).
With all the net neutrality stuff going on, until that is resolved, I see more of a point to try to stay away from things that lead to more bills.
I like that. I'm a minimalist (and frugal) by nature. I want something that is of good quality and amply capable of doing what I need it to do....but that certainly doesn't require that it be the biggest and best/latest and greatest. A couple of weeks ago I bought my first laptop- a used Thinkpad, on Ebay, for under $100 shipped. It does everything I need it to do, and much more.

For my next desktop, I may just try my hand at building my own- just to be able to have a system which will just have the things I want/need, and nothing more. Less is more. Simple and lite often means: more reliable and better performance. It seems that the trend among mass-market retail computers, has always been to have "more"; Cram in everything under the sun; use parts which advertise high specs, but which are of the lowest quality....so they end up with a machine that sounds good to the cretin in Walmart....but which works like a TRS80 from 1983, from day-one.
 
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So if KDE 2 is running as fast on such an old box as KDE 4 runs on a new box, can I conclude that their wasn't vast improvement in Linux?
Probably.

I'm not familiar with the differences between KDE2 and 4...but I look at like this: In 1998 on my old 500MHZ 'pooter, I had a 56K dial-up modem. Today on my 3GHZ 'pooter, I have wired DSL which is 12x faster than the dial-up. Is that an improvement? On paper it is; in reality though, there is so much more junk (animated ads, etc.) on web pages, that for typical browsing, I don't realize the 1200% which the numbers would suggest. The real net effect, is maybe an actual 50% gain in performance.

So what actual benefit do you get from the KDE 4 vs. KDE 2 ?

My only exposure to KDE has been for about 2 minutes. KDE comes as an installed option with Slackware. I accidentally did something after installing Slackware, which ended up turning KDE on as my DE. It reminded me of Windows Vista. Menu boxes of vast proportions would pop-up, but only 25% of their space would actually be used...and you'd have to make another click or two, to see the rest oif the entries! Ironically, the XFCE DE had more K applications accessible by one click on it's main menu, than did KDE! (I use Fluxbox in Slackware...but I'm more and more getting away from a graphical environment altogether- it's so tedious navigating the cursor around the desktop like a mouse in a maze, and trying to figure out where they hid things; and how to access them, when in CLI, you can just make a few keystrokes and do what you want without layers of Lets Make A Deal)

So, if switch to using a CLI browser and email....what difference will having a 3GHZ 'pooter make; when my old 500MHZ would be more than adequate for running thoe, with probably no observable difference in performance?

It's like having a 380 horsepower car. It may ultimately be capable of going faster than your old 150HP car- but it weighs twice as much, and you still spend all your time stuck in stop and go traffioc, and now there are speed cameras everywhere, so reagrdless of which car you are driving, you're still only going 40MPH most of the time; the 380HP car may give you bragging rights....but ultimately does nothing for you; while costing a lot more in purchase price; insurance; and repairs/maintenance.

It's hard to argue this though- as i suspect that with you using KDE and myself using Fluxbox/Openbox/or CLI, we are at opposite ends of the spectrum. You like KDE. It's like someone telling me that I don't *need* to drive a 7500 lb. truck that gets 11MPG, to go shopping.... But I like it...so that's what I drive... Preference trumps reason! [Before some greenie has a heart-attack: If it makes them feel any better...but other vehicle is a bicycle; and I like to walk a lot; and actually drive very little....]

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So what actual benefit do you get from the KDE 4 vs. KDE 2 ?
I don't know, I am actually not using KDE (I prefer i3), I just wanted to show that you can't compare a Windows 98 era desktop with a modern desktop and conclude that there was no improvement made at all, because a modern desktop uses more resources.
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So, if switch to using a CLI browser and email....what difference will having a 3GHZ 'pooter make; when my old 500MHZ would be more than adequate for running thoe, with probably no observable difference in performance?
You are using Slackware. You will see the difference when you start to install programs from SBo and have to compile a large number of packages (or larger packages). You definitely also will see the difference when doing something that needs more HP, like editing images with Gimp or transcoding a video with ffmpeg. You may prefer commandline programs, like I do, but that doesn't mean they will run as fast on a 500MHz machine as on a 3000MHz machine. When doing something heavy I often think about getting a faster computer, though I have a 6-core machine with 16GB of RAM with the OS running from a fast SSD and I mostly use commandline programs.
 
  


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