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Old 06-02-2013, 01:43 AM   #1726
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Really? How many years of experience do you have with Linux? With Windows/DOS?

I can't say that I've felt the need to wipe and reload a Linux system within the last ten years. In my admittedly limited experiences with Windows during that time period, I've done that several times. (Not within 30 minutes of installation with either, though.)

Then again, I have a lot less knowledge about modern Windows systems than I do Linux ones; Maybe you are just the opposite way?
I been running Linux since about 2003. The only time I do a install is when I build a new rig, twice so far. I used Mandrake for a while at first and did reinstall it a couple times but mostly because I didn't know HOW to fix it. Then I switched to Gentoo and learned a LOT about Linux and how it works. I might add, my first puter was given to me with a dual boot of Mandrake and windoze. Windoze died after about two days. It wouldn't even boot up.

I'm also the family/neighbourhood geek around here. I can fix most windoze issues but sometimes a reinstall is the easiest and surest way, especially if a virus is suspected. Just boot a Linux stick/CD and wipe everything out with dd then reinstall windoze.

I also have a lot of people I chat with that lives to far off for me to work on their rigs. When it doesn't boot or has some other serious issues, they reinstall.

 
Old 06-02-2013, 05:05 AM   #1727
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Really? How many years of experience do you have with Linux? With Windows/DOS?

I can't say that I've felt the need to wipe and reload a Linux system within the last ten years. In my admittedly limited experiences with Windows during that time period, I've done that several times. (Not within 30 minutes of installation with either, though.)

Then again, I have a lot less knowledge about modern Windows systems than I do Linux ones; Maybe you are just the opposite way?
I have over 30 years personal experience with computers, in general. I've used every MS OS since PC-DOS, (except pre-3.1 Windows), and have dabbled with various distros of Linux and BSD since 2000, and have used Linux extensively since 2007. I've been professionally working with Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X as tech support for almost 5 years, and last year added Systems Administrator to my resume.

I would also say that while I may have more experience with Windows, I am by no means sold on it, and I have only Linux on several systems that I utilize on a more-than-regular basis.

My opinion on Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X is that they are different. All have their strengths and weaknesses, but for various reasons, one is neither superior nor inferior to the others.
 
Old 06-02-2013, 02:06 PM   #1728
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I agree. Every OS has its audience appropriate for their skill levels. I have nothing against the windows OS, I, however, don't like microsoft because of their ways. Now they implemented this ridiculous secure boot thing making it more problematic for other operating systems to be installed.

Many say to disable secure boot to solved this, yeah right. I read how people who disable secure boot had other potential problems arise. Lastly, these OEMs are using all partitions on the drive to discourage installing other operating systems. A technical savvy user of course can handle these partitions and know which one to delete or re-size.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 12:54 PM   #1729
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I agree. Every OS has its audience appropriate for their skill levels. I have nothing against the windows OS, I, however, don't like microsoft because of their ways. Now they implemented this ridiculous secure boot thing making it more problematic for other operating systems to be installed.

Many say to disable secure boot to solved this, yeah right. I read how people who disable secure boot had other potential problems arise. Lastly, these OEMs are using all partitions on the drive to discourage installing other operating systems. A technical savvy user of course can handle these partitions and know which one to delete or re-size.
Dude, it's impossible to take you seriously with that username. You may want to consider a different one.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 03:01 PM   #1730
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I'm also the family/neighbourhood geek around here. I can fix most windoze issues but sometimes a reinstall is the easiest and surest way, especially if a virus is suspected. Just boot a Linux stick/CD and wipe everything out with dd then reinstall windoze.
...
In my world, I don't always have the luxury to wipe and reload. Between the different utility disks I have (which include such wonderful Linux-based tools as PartEd Magic and Trinity Rescue Kit, there's not much I can't fix in Windows, though sometimes, starting from scratch is the only solution.

The issue I've had with Linux in the past is that I would push what I knew about configurations and such, and end up making a rotten mess of things. (Learned a lot that way, but fubared more than one Linux install that way, too.) It became easier to start over and learn from my mistakes in the "don't do that again" fashion. Also, I have run into several smaller distros that I have been able to fubar without really even trying. (Bhodi Linux comes to mind.) As I've gained more time and experience with Linux, (those two years not owning a Windows system at all did wonders,) I have become able to fix certain problems that before constituted a reload, but I still have a two hour rule when it comes to operating systems: If I can't fix it in under two hours, my time would be better spent wiping and reloading the system.

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Old 06-03-2013, 10:44 PM   #1731
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Not open source == less QA.

(The opposite used to be true ...)

Help fix it.\Learn!

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Old 06-04-2013, 04:43 AM   #1732
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In my world, I don't always have the luxury to wipe and reload. Between the different utility disks I have (which include such wonderful Linux-based tools as PartEd Magic and Trinity Rescue Kit, there's not much I can't fix in Windows, though sometimes, starting from scratch is the only solution.

The issue I've had with Linux in the past is that I would push what I knew about configurations and such, and end up making a rotten mess of things. (Learned a lot that way, but fubared more than one Linux install that way, too.) It became easier to start over and learn from my mistakes in the "don't do that again" fashion. Also, I have run into several smaller distros that I have been able to fubar without really even trying. (Bhodi Linux comes to mind.) As I've gained more time and experience with Linux, (those two years not owning a Windows system at all did wonders,) I have become able to fix certain problems that before constituted a reload, but I still have a two hour rule when it comes to operating systems: If I can't fix it in under two hours, my time would be better spent wiping and reloading the system.
I'm going to take a wild guess here and bet that you have never installed or even know what it takes to install Gentoo Linux. Take a look here:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-...ickinstall.xml

That is just to get you started. The Gentoo install is text based. Read that as command line like the old DOS days. If you want a GUI installer, use another distro because it was tried but didn't work well given all the options available for Gentoo. So, for me to re-install Gentoo would require a HUGE screw up. I mean something like a file system crash or some other major loss of the OS data. There is no GUI installer PLUS you have to compile every package on Gentoo. It is not binary based. That two hour rule would leave the building fast here. Gentoo has some of the best docs there is and they have them for good reason. You don't install Gentoo just because you want to goof off for a hour or so. If you install Gentoo, you are serious about it. You have to know what not to do but also know how to fix any issue that comes up. Also, the mailing lists and forums are top notch.

Thing about M$ is this, when you reinstall it, you know where you stand. You know there is no viruses, no adware or other software that can be screwing up the OS or even a bad update. If you just try to "fix" a M$ install that has a virus, then it may or may not be fixed but it is hard to be sure. Linux doesn't have a virus issue since there are VERY few of them that run on Linux.

To recap, the best way to get to a point where you know where you stand with M$ is to reinstall the OS. That way you know it is a clean start.

I would also add this. If you screw up a Linux install by doing something you shouldn't, don't blame the OS. If I type in rm -rf /* then I deserve the reinstall I am about to be required to do. Same if I do a format c: command on windoze. I deserve to insert the windoze CD and reinstall and wave good bye to my data as well. This is also a good reason to put documents and such on a separate partition. Sort of like having /home on Linux. I wouldn't blame Linux or windoze in either situation. It is the person in the chair who gets the blame for that.

 
Old 06-04-2013, 09:13 AM   #1733
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Dude, it's impossible to take you seriously with that username. You may want to consider a different one.
I don't think so. Besides, I'm not here to win a popularity contest.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 09:33 AM   #1734
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I'm going to take a wild guess here and bet that you have never installed or even know what it takes to install Gentoo Linux. Take a look here:...
Actually, I have. I just didn't think the end product was worth all the hassle, kind of how I don't think Slackware is worth the hassle. It's not that I can't do it, but I just don't have a need to. I would rather do a base install with Debian and then only add in the packages that I need after the fact. Similar result, but less tedious. If I had a need for something more customized that what Debian will allow, I think I would rather go through the process of building LFS. (Yes, I'm aware that's even more involved and tedious than Gentoo, and yes, I have actually done it...once.) I'm sure that there are plenty who will disagree with me, but perhaps their needs are different than mine.

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Old 06-04-2013, 10:33 AM   #1735
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Old 06-08-2013, 02:16 PM   #1736
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I luv windows! Why? It's so boring it makes me want to commit suicide each time I use it.
 
Old 06-23-2013, 09:27 PM   #1737
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My favorite thing about MS-Windows

I'm in Internet Explorer, I click on "Find more tool-bars and extensions..." and a new tab opens in Firefox. That's right, I typed, Firefox, and I meant to type Firefox. I had to try that multiple times, before I concluded, "Yup! That's really happening!!". I even had someone else try it, to make sure I hadn't somehow been exposed to something hallucinogen without my knowledge.

In this instance, Internet Explorer is assuming, without checking, that IE MUST be the "Default Browser". It's indicating that a new Page should be opened in the "Default Browser", which in my case is Firefox!

If I had been using an E-Mail client and had asked to open a URL, I would expect it to open in the default browser. But why even consider what the default browser is when in IE and using an IE specific control?!

I've been writing code since the year 1980, and I cannot begin to explain why in the World someone writing code to implement a control for IE would, when given a choice between something unknown and implicit, like Blindly relying on the "default" browser without checking what it is, versus explicitly opening a page in IE, given the explicit knowledge that the control that was "pressed" was in IE, would choose the unknown and implicit!

BTW, this was MS-Win 7 and IE 10.

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Old 06-24-2013, 03:47 PM   #1738
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win$\mac$ are great because its u$er$(b-a-a-a-h) get to buy a new computer or phone every 8-15 years as "update$" outdated them...so I take them from the garbage\* and make them do anything a computer or phone can ! Oluy K1-25 4all!

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Old 06-26-2013, 12:00 PM   #1739
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In this instance, Internet Explorer is assuming, without checking, that IE MUST be the "Default Browser".
Actually, there is some logic to this assumption. With rare exceptions, perhaps the only people using IE anymore are those who have no alternative available.
 
Old 06-27-2013, 10:57 AM   #1740
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Actually, there is some logic to this assumption. With rare exceptions, perhaps the only people using IE anymore are those who have no alternative available.
... Or, those who don't want an alternative.

You raise a good point, though ... How often is someone who doesn't use IE as the default going to use it at all? The fact that it isn't set as default implies that at least one other browser is installed on the system, so why would someone use IE? They knew enough to install another browser, so I can't see why they would.

Even more so, why would someone that intelligent want to add toolbars to IE, or any brower? The bug that rigor has found is surely only exhibited in such a bizarre edge case that it would conceivably never have been found if it weren't for him.
 
  


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