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sycamorex 12-17-2014 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by robmark (Post 5286211)
sorry I meant how to use the office side of linux

OK, we're getting somewhere. Do you mean how to use office applications (word processor / a spreadsheet editor)?

At the moment I think the most mature office suite is LibreOffice.
Please read the following article on how to install it on Ubuntu
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice

When it comes to simple word documents / spreadsheets it should be fully compatible with MS Office documents (.docx or .xlsx) - if a document uses some advanced features, the documents will unfortunately look different under opened in MS Office / Libre Office

For the future, please use the search engine to answer the questions. 99% of newbie questions have already been answered. Google really is your best friend.

Even your question about office. Try googling: "office applications in linux" and you'll see how much information will come up.

sycamorex 12-17-2014 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Head_on_a_Stick (Post 5286213)
I've just spent the last half hour trolling the Windows support forums with pro-Linux posts so I can throw no stones here :D

I have never understood that kind of actions on either of the sides:)

Head_on_a_Stick 12-17-2014 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sycamorex (Post 5286223)
I have never understood that kind of actions on either of the sides:)

Yeah I probably shouldn't have done that, but I just think that people should be made aware of the alternatives.

My posts contained only facts and my personal opinion -- no hate was involved.

I'm sure Windows 10 works just fine on a new laptop, but mine's quite old and it doesn't work so well at all.
:(

fatmac 12-17-2014 01:21 PM

I have only used Linux since 1999, it does everything I want from my computers.

Stay with Linux if it does what you want.

Tinkster 12-17-2014 06:48 PM

Moved: This thread is more suitable in <GENERAL> and has been moved accordingly to help your thread/question get the exposure it deserves.

John VV 12-17-2014 07:27 PM

Microsoft lost me back in `05

let's just say " i will never BUY a MS os "

for the few non essential programs i might use, there are OTHER options.

sounds greek 2 me 12-17-2014 08:01 PM

I don't use windows 10, but I heard they copied some ideas from linux like a package system, a compiz like effect and a search tool that searches the pc and the web like unity does.

Every OS copies from everyone including linux I presumed.

rknichols 12-17-2014 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Randicus Draco Albus (Post 5286140)
What happened to Windows 9?

Microsoft didn't want German speakers to hear people saying, "Windows? Nein!!" At least that's my theory.

Another theory has it that there is software around written for Windows 95 and Windows 98 that just checks whether the version string begins with the characters, "Windows 9".

sounds greek 2 me 12-17-2014 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Randicus Draco Albus (Post 5286140)
Windows 8 was only recently released and people are discussing Windows 10? What happened to Windows 9?

windows 7 8 9

:)

John VV 12-17-2014 09:21 PM

"sounds greek 2 me"
the win7 desktop is a near rip off of kde

my brother-in-law was "showing off" the eye candy

i had to tell him i had all that for 2 years now in kde4
and longer if you count the "compz / compz-fusion" eye candy
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a search tool that searches the pc
that was in XP
a neet sql search database

sounds greek 2 me 12-17-2014 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by John VV (Post 5286703)
"sounds greek 2 me"
the win7 desktop is a near rip off of kde

That's what I said in my first paragraph. Win10 copy features from linux.

In my last paragraph where I said
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Every OS copies from everyone including linux I presumed.
I put that just in case the windows fanboys say linux copies stuff from other OSes too.

Randicus Draco Albus 12-18-2014 03:22 AM

I have no idea about how much Windows is currently "borrowing" from other OSes, but
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Originally Posted by sounds greek 2 me (Post 5286660)
That's what I said in my first paragraph. Win10 copy features from linux.

No, that is not what you posted.
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I don't use windows 10, but I heard they copied some ideas from linux ...
There is a big difference between "copying some ideas" and "a near rip off of kde." ;)

TobiSGD 12-18-2014 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by John VV (Post 5286703)
the win7 desktop is a near rip off of kde

You could also say that KDE 4 is a near rip off of the Vista GUI, but that would be missing a point.
Of course the different GUIs are "borrowing ideas" from each other, I see nothing wrong with that. You will find features in any GUI that are worth copying and it would be somewhat weird not to do that.

enorbet 12-18-2014 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by veerain (Post 5286088)
<snip some stuff about windows being for the masses>
And for virus/trojans/malware even a inadequately secured linux system will fall prey!

That's not accurate or meaningful at all and indicates to me that you have little experience with Linux and even less of an understanding of the most fundamental differences between a windows-based system and a unix-based system.

All types of virii and malware depend on 4 steps -

1) Locating a vulnerability
2) Penetration - logging in
3) Insertion - gaining sufficient privilege to write to the system anywhere
5) Execution and Access - gaining sufficient privilege to execute integrated actions on the system level ie for all intents and purposes becoming root
There is perhaps a 6th which is the ability to hide and avoid removal.

Besides the extended permissions nature of Linux with far better defined Users and Groups, which is a huge obstacle to writing anything to an executable location that has any manner of deep system capability, many if not most distros default to fewer services enabled. In every step noted above it is substantially easier to infect a Windows system than a Linux system even given similar security measures at each preceding step.

This of course, doesn't even address the fact that by the very nature of having a 90%+ market share Windows is orders of magnitude more a target than Linux, even if we include MacOSX. Security by Obscurity may be nebulous but it does work far more often than not. Windows systems and maybe more importantly Windows users are low-hanging fruit and will remain so until and unless Linux ever has something approaching a 50% market share, and that's probably never.

cynwulf 12-18-2014 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Head_on_a_Stick (Post 5286156)
My CPU idles at ~50% while doing nothing, the desktop boots to 1.2GiB used (!) and it runs so slowly it beggars belief.

All of this depends on the system in question and what services are running. A full blown gnome/kde install on a fully preconfigured desktop system with many daemons running, may get close to that.

Also memory usage is not the best way to benchmark any system, unless you're sure what the memory is being used for. Linux for example tends to use any free memory for disk caching, freeing it up as required by other processes, but easily giving the impression to some that tons of RAM is in use for not good reason/there are memory leaks.

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Originally Posted by Head_on_a_Stick (Post 5286156)
And it's ugly and very difficult to customise.

Many would say the same thing about gnome shell, KDE and Ubuntu unity.

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Originally Posted by Head_on_a_Stick (Post 5286156)
For example, I had to download a third-party program (which is almost certainly malware in disguise) just to set the toolbar to fully-opaque.

That seems a minor issue. Remember that proprietary OS deliberately restrict customisation of the GUI to preserve "brand identity" and visibility. The idea is that someone can look over someone's shoulder and immediately say "he/she is running windows". Apple is the same, as is Android and Ubuntu Unity - and the gnome project had similar goals with gnome-shell.

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Originally Posted by Head_on_a_Stick (Post 5286156)
Oh, and the battery life seems to be about 50% less, which is a surprise.

50% less than what? Generally power management on windows is going to be better due to vendor drivers being optimised to the hardware - some FOSS drivers for *NIX systems don't have any power management support at all.


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