Because Shiny Things Are Fun - The New New Windows v Linux Thread

The only reason M$ has the numbers is because their OS is on every computer in online and offline stores. The consumers have no other choice.

Linux rules!!!

Originally Posted by dalek So just because they use M$ doesn't mean they chose too. It could be that most of them don't know of any alternative except for Macs. So your numbers don't mean as much as you think.

hmmm they use but aren't actually making a choice

then qualified by "It could be that most of them.."

coulda shoulda woulda is not even a strawman argument

people make their choices, even without directly answering**, including those who chose to blame other things

**iow, actions speak louder that words, not to mention facts vs bs

Originally Posted by RedNeck-LQ The only reason M$ has the numbers is because their OS is on every computer in online and offline stores. The consumers have no other choice. Linux rules!!!

the consumer not only has a choice, but mostly chose to spend/waste money on win stuff,

having no choice is a lame victim argument that sez nothing about linux ruling anything

linux has a long way to go ..way too many issues for most folks

Originally Posted by RedNeck-LQ The only reason M$ has the numbers is because their OS is on every computer in online and offline stores. The consumers have no other choice. Linux rules!!!

the reality is this part

M$ has the numbers is because their OS is on every computer in online and offline stores.

and the reality to linux rather than ruling dreams is 'why is that'?

if linux was as easy as some folks claim, it would be a no brainier for folks

folks decide by their choices particularly if it involves having to spend some dough vs a free option

Originally Posted by jonyo hmmm they use but aren't actually making a choice then qualified by "It could be that most of them.." coulda shoulda woulda is not even a strawman argument people make their choices, even without directly answering**, including those who chose to blame other things **iow, actions speak louder that words, not to mention facts vs bs

Choice implies you know of a alternative. If you don't know that Linux exists, then you use windoze because it is all you know about plus it is already on computers that are pre-built, Dell, Gateway etc. So, people use it because they don't know of the alternatives.

As for blaming things, I blame M$ for their crappy OS. They made it you know. lol

Originally Posted by dalek Choice implies you know of a alternative. If you don't know that Linux exists, then you use windoze because it is all you know about plus it is already on computers that are pre-built, Dell, Gateway etc. So, people use it because they don't know of the alternatives. As for blaming things, I blame M$ for their crappy OS. They made it you know. lol

well, i have a much higher opinion of folks than you do and the blame game gets no one anywhere

the idea that folks pay money for something that is harder is a joke, particularly when there is a free alternative,

that argument even put forward only proves zero credibility which is what linux has with most folks

linux ain't going anywhere without at least being real and or open minded

btw, i'm not a win fan but am a fan of reality vs bs

Originally Posted by jonyo particularly when there is a free alternative

How do you think they'll find out about Linux?

Originally Posted by jonyo well, i have a much higher opinion of folks than you do and the blame game gets no one anywhere the idea that folks pay money for something that is harder is a joke, particularly when there is a free alternative, that argument even put forward only proves zero credibility which is what linux has with most folks linux ain't going anywhere without at least being real and or open minded btw, i'm not a win fan but am a fan of reality vs bs

I think you need to read more. You are missing the point completely and it shows. I have mentioned that I use Linux to LOTS of people. They have never heard of it and most even think it is some sort of program you install like Norton or something. Those people didn't have a choice because they didn't know there was a alternative to M$. They also have Dell or Gateway that is prebuilt for them. Can Dell or Gateway even sell a home computer without M$ installed? Even if they do have a few, do they advertise them or anything so that people know there is a choice other than M$?

If you can't see that, then it is not me that is making a "strawmans" argument or just providing "BS". Go look in the mirror.

Originally Posted by MTK358 How do you think they'll find out about Linux?

perhaps linux should ask itself ~ how can we get the user to find us or why aren't they?!

the end user just wants the goods, even if they have to pay, end of story

funny how you focus on the user like it's their problem,

perhaps linux has it backwards with a lousy attitude to begin with

Originally Posted by dalek I think you need to read more. You are missing the point completely and it shows.

your point is moot at best but mostly irrelevant

bottom line is we agree to disagree

overall, reminds me of linux

meanwhile M$ is raking in the dough

i don't see alota focus in linuxland, it's all over the place

not to mention laced with tons of "big talk", if not pointless mainstream themes, when the facts speak otherwise

Originally Posted by jonyo your point is moot at best but mostly irrelevant bottom line is we agree to disagree overall, reminds me of linux meanwhile M$ is raking in the dough i don't see alota focus in linuxland, it's all over the place not to mention laced with tons of "big talk", if not pointless mainstream themes, when the facts speak otherwise

I don't think it is moot or irrelevant and I suspect others don't either as you are the only one that has posted anything to disagree with the point.

Just because M$ is raking in the dough doesn't mean they have better product. The big talk you talk about is mostly about how good M$ is. People that use something else know better than to claim that. They have been educated as it were. lol

Originally Posted by dalek Just because M$ is raking in the dough doesn't mean they have better product.

if i'm interested in a sideshow, i'll let you or your friends know

Originally Posted by jonyo if i'm interested in a sideshow, i'll let you or your friends know

I thought it was the other way around. This is a LINUX forum you know?

Originally Posted by jonyo and that my friends translates mostly to an insignificant minority if linux truly was a user friendly experience, not to mention it is mostly free, folks would flock to it numbers as in most things tells the tale

I know I'm probably rehashing what's been said 1000 times....but I can't resist...

The average consumer who buys their first computer just doesn't have a clue. They buy a computer...Win-D'ohs is on it...that's what they use. Windows screws up/performs poorly after a few months...they take their computer to a repair shop, where it gets "fixed", usually by fixing Windows or reformatting.

They learn how to use Windows...so even if they hear that there is something better and free, they are afraid that they will have to learn everything all over again.

Since Windows comes on virtually every new PC, the software writers write mainly for Windows....

Now that computers are in virtually every school- and most of them probably have a Windows OS....people naturally use the OS they're familiar with, and since it comes on the computers they buy....

It's a vicious cycle.....

MS has put more effort into creating that vicious cycle than they have in engineering a good OS.

When I hear of friends and acquaintances having computer Windows problems, I tell them about Linux, and a good number of them are thrilled to find out that there is an alternative which they had never before heard about.

There are lots of Mac users out there who are willing to pay (and pay, and pay...) for an alternative to Windows- simply because they know of that alternative, due to advertising and common knowledge. Imagine if as many people knew that there were FREE alternatives which work even better; offer more software choices (also free); Are not prone to viruses and problems; and will will work with the PC they currently own?!

Originally Posted by dalek Not quite true. Because M$ has the money to advertise and all, most people have never heard of Linux. So just because they use M$ doesn't mean they chose too. It could be that most of them don't know of any alternative except for Macs. So your numbers don't mean as much as you think.

IMO, you're mistaken here.

Normal user doesn't know what operating system is. They don't know what OS they use and they don't care. People don't have to "know" about alternatives, but they should be able to find them if they need something different. If a user is happy with his machine, there's no need to change anything.

Originally Posted by MTK358 How do you think they'll find out about Linux?

Google search/question on a forum, duh.