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Old 04-15-2013, 09:50 AM   #211
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network_service

There is so much to learn about social networking services from above
site and it is huge. Does anyone here still use BBSes, if yes then for what ?

Apart from facebook, twitter, IRC and online forums, what other social
networking services do you use ? Does any of them not work with older PCs ?

Thank You.
 
Old 04-15-2013, 12:51 PM   #212
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If something doesn't work with older PCs, and linux I wish to be the first to admit it.
Facebook doesn't seem to work with light weight browsers. I have tried
Dillo, links2 and Lynx so far. However, I rarely use it, so this is not an issue
for me.
 
Old 04-15-2013, 01:34 PM   #213
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Even in Linux there are massive changes and fast developments. This weeks
distrowatch weekly is filled with massive news:
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20130415

It is an interesting read for all interested in this thread.

Debain project has a new leader from the above newsletter. He is focused
on grid, cloud, peer to peer computing etc., This means we can expect
more older Debian OSes to slowly disappear. Grab them if interested.
I wish to be sincere here about my drawbacks. I share a lot here but as
long as my PC is working ok, I am not too concerned about other things.
In the longer run this is very poor approach from past experience.
However, there is a sea if not an ocean of info. here and there is no way
a small person can try and use all this.

Also, there are mention of new file systems in the above page that are
also very good to read and understand the future of file systems.

As an aside, local store is offering 32Gb flash drives on sale for 10 bucks !!
Even a few years ago, I got 2Gb flash drives for 35 bucks with taxes.
So, there is phenomenal growth in IT hardware and software. I don't
have real need for this, so will wait it out. At this rate, by Christmas of
2014, we can expect 64Gb flash drive for 10 bucks even. This low price
is to attract clients to store I feel, I hope their retail sales are not too bad.
The reason this is good news for old PCs with Linux is that even if the
hard drive crashes, use Live CD with this USB and it will work like a
hard drive that is good to go. Even if any parts fail in this old PC and it
can't be used again, removing this USB drive and using on
another old PC is very simple.
 
Old 04-15-2013, 02:53 PM   #214
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Some related interesting links for discussion here:
Red Paper Clip Story:
http://www.townhttp://www.townofkipl...perclip-story/
US Army Cyber Command
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_..._Cyber_Command

The first link is an amazing experience of someone who bartered a red
paper clip all the way upto a home in one year. This shows the power of
barter. If he can barter a paper clip, then with our knowledge of linux
we must be able to atleast barter a USB Cable or something slightly better.
There is a very vital lesson here.

Second link, I am sure they are not just focusing on MS at Cyber Command.
This shows the power of knowing Linux in different organizations for
career also.

The third point is about Futureshock, this was a very famous old book.
All the massive change we are seeing is creating a lot of futureshock.
Most of this is coming from IT and electronics.
With linux and old PCs in IT, we can buffer the effects of this quite a bit.
The results of this are priceless.
 
Old 04-16-2013, 12:18 PM   #215
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I just returned home after a 5 hour trip, most of it on a train route I have never
taken before. Thanks, to freecycle, a very kind lady and her family,
I now have a Dell Insipirion 5100 that shutsdown after overheating. It appears
broken, a part of the case is missing, DVD ROM drive plastic cover comes
out when pulled. This is an amazing and perfect laptop to try many things.
They were adviced to recycle this laptop but gave it on freecycle and I am
very grateful for this. I also got some xmas Greeting Cards, 2KBs PS2,
3 Mouse (1 USB, 2 are PS2 and one is missing the ball and bottom cover)
Still glad to get all these.

On going to destination, I missed a stop as I didn't know how exactly
the train doors worked and was infront of a wrong door. Then, I
decided to walk back as the weather was wonderful and this was a good
decision, lots of small homes, clear sky view, very small shopping
plazas, almost no traffic, it was wonderful. The train journey was also
nice.

I will allow the laptop to dry a bit, try it and update later. The rain was
unexpected, there was a parade with police patrol and I didn't
wish to stop and cover the laptop. Had a raincoat in bag that could have
used. There are two comments to make, first is that when going to
pick something from someone on freecycle, always have extra bags.
These come in very handy. The recycling bags sold in stores for even
upto 5 bucks are very good for these but are usually a lot cheaper
at 2 to 3 bucks. The second is this, the items are free but consider the
time involved in picking it up and setting it up. Time is valuable also.
No point in asking for everything in freecycle, even if these are given,
one would be spread thin in terms of time trying pickup these items.
Keeping a list of needed items helps in this regard.
 
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Dell Inspiron 5100 that shutsdown after overheating
I look in on your thread on a regular basis. Just some tips.
Use 90% rubbing alcohol as cleaning solvent when needed (not on the screen though). Contact cleaner melts pc board material and plastic in some cases. Qtips are good to keep around also

I have a air compressor with a regulator to bring air pressure down to like 30psi. If no air compressor, a can of compressed air from the store will suffice.

Hopefully the overheating issue is just dirt and dust in the laptop. I would also invest in something like this. I already have one. Sounds like a thorough cleaning of that laptop is in order before you try to use it regular like.


Broken plastic can be fixed with JB Weld/2 part expoxy, a Qtip, and a steady hand. Like I showed you in fixing old gear on that busted IBM laptop corner near the power plug.

Be delicate and patient when working on laptops. PDF Service Manual for Dell 5100 and others. (Download)

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Old 04-16-2013, 02:23 PM   #217
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Thanks for the tips. Here is an update on this laptop. After taking some rest,
I removed all the screws. It seems stuck in center, needs a special screw
driver that I don't have, this is below the memory module and so seems
stuck. Lots of dust in fan area, this was cleaned as best as possible by gently
sliding the plastic coverup as much as possible. Unable to remove the
memory module, will have to learn from youtube how to do this. (Youtube
is a challenge on older PCs, will have to figure this out.)

Then, I put all screws back, took some rest and tried to boot it. No display
on screen. Display is ok on external monitor tho. It has windows 2000.
DVD drive seems busted and it will not eject. Also, I didn't use it much,
just checked out a few basic things, didn't even start browser.
CPU temp. when I first noticed it was 60C, then it went to 65C, I ensured
that the vents are not being covered but still didn't help.
I just turned it off. For a first try this is ok.

Issues to resolve:
1. Try to open it well
2. Checkout why CPU temp is getting so high.
I might have to remove CPU fan and really clean the area well
or see if a new fan is needed.
3. Try to press eject button on DVD drive and see if it ejects.
4. Try to resolve the LCD display issue.

Possible Outcomes:
1. If above issues can be resolved, then it is ok to use as a laptop.
2. Otherwise, it is bad to even use as a desktop.
3. Can't remove parts safely with cover on, just Ram perhaps.
4. This gives a chance for a lot of creating thinking with this laptop.

Without opening this laptop, I checked again by just powering it up. DVD drive
ejects now, however it will not boot from puppy linux DVD, could here
DVD spin.

The main issue on this laptop is that the fan is not working at all. Since,
a lot of dust was found around this area before, it is believed that
there is more inside the
fan area that is blocking the fan severely. Laptop has to be fully opened
and this area needs to be cleaned very well. If this doesn't help, then a new
CPU fan is needed. Otherwise, the CPU may simply burn out with time.

This laptop below has same steps as mine, need to try them later:
http://danandsherree.com/2005/04/02/...nspiron-11.php

Using the instructions at site above, I was able to remove the fan unit
fully, clean it very carefully with water, then oiled it with some mineral oil.
After a few tries, it works ok now. However, old cement on cpu is fully
dry and new coating is needed. Will wait on this for now. Even after some
use, CPU temp is getting to 70C, but fan worked well and got the temp.
down. Display issue is solved, appears the LCD connection came loose
when it was dropped, plugging this back in carefully resolved this issue.
DVD ROM verified to be working. All in all, this is functional for now, most
observed issues seems to be from when laptop was dropped. It is
quite heavy to carry around tho. Tab key and N keys are missing on he KB.
Also, the KB bends upwards a bit, but this can be dealt with. CPU fan speed
is not detected by resident software, not desirable but can't be resolved.

Now, the real issues are the cement for the CPU and to try to get to boot
it with Linux. Will see how it is set to boot in the setup and then try to set
it to boot from DVD if possible. Also, will be good to try Slitaz Linux
low ram version on this first if puppy is not working. Fan needs to be
observed more to see if there is a loose connection, if not why is it not
working sometimes. Also, need to watch youtube videos on installing
memory modules in this laptop. Lastly, still not sure where exactly the
hard drive is, need to learn this also. All in all, I am really glad that I decided
to get this laptop, it has been worth it so far, just for the learning experience.
Will also be good to learn, how to remove, replace laptop LCD screen
as these get cracked sometimes. However, this can also be reserved for
future.

I saw pictures on net, on how to remove memory module, but it seems
really stuck on this laptop, will not mess with it. Saw pictures on net
also of where laptop harddrives are. LCD screen change learning reserved
for later.

No Linux OS boots from DVD on this laptop. However, puppy quirky 1.4
booted easily from USB key on it. This is another very good progress.

On return from collecting this laptop yesterday, I saw a lot of ads
downtown for older laptops starting from Pentium 4. I checked with a
friend and he said, everything is more expensive these days, not all
parents are rich, laptop is needed for Univ./School these days, hence
the demand for older laptops. This makes sense and I am very glad this
demand exists. Lesser chance for laptops to be thrown in trash.

Back to my used laptop,
, apart from the journey time of 5 hours, I spent another 8 hours on this
laptop. However, it is a rewarding experience. Next time, for similar issues,
I hope to be faster. This is a lesson learned for life. Replace of hard drive,
memory and LCD display on laptop will still be learning experiences for me.

I am a bit tired, and appears I need a break from PCs itself. So, if I am absent
you will know why.

As usual, thanks for reading this thread and keep your comments coming.
All comments are appreciated and present me a learning experience.

Didn't wish to share this here before as it was unsure. But now that this
has happened am ok with sharing this.

I got FIVE VERY OLD LAPTOPS FOR FREE thanks to freecycle.
Also, got a number of drives like Syquest, Jaz etc., and some media.

This person worked in IT and is moving. Hence, the decision to give all this
way. This person is very nice, warm, friendly and helpful. This person in the
past offered a lot of IT stuff to a local company that sells PCs and then
recycles the older ones for free. However, after seeing my freecycle post
this person decided to offer them to me. I have to make one or more trips again to get more stuff.

So basically, use this as an example and try to connect with folks who
work in IT, even used IT stores, IT recyclers, local IT vendors just chat
warmly, make friends with them, see what they do with old unwanted
stuff. Dumpster diving in these stores is also good. If it works, then
why waste it ?

Note: Please don't ask me for free stuff. I will not mail them etc., Look
in your area locally, these tips are more than sufficient. I follow them
and they work well.

Here is info. on one company FREE recycling service for reference:
http://www.staples.com/sbd/cre/marke...-services.html

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Old 04-18-2013, 08:08 PM   #218
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I have re-applied what you refer to as cement. Artic Silver.



My 7 page thread from 2008 on it.

Maybe use cd disk instead of a dvd disk in that drive. Lazer Lens may be dirty also. I don't know if I mentioned I keep this around to clean dvdrw and cdrw drives.

After I posted. I saw a thread on here just started about lens cleaning.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...cs-4175458682/

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Old 04-19-2013, 06:41 AM   #219
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Thanks for your tips again.
The official name is: THERMAL PASTE, the more of Arctic ice one buys, the more
the savings. Will be nice if I can find a half used tube or so on Freecycle
perhaps. Atleast worth a try.

I have the CD cleaner somewhere. However, the DVDrom works ok with a
windows DVD. So I feel it is working ok but just not working with Linux DVDs
Strange but will have to figure this out.

Last night I realized two of these PCs are really old and don't have an
RJ45 socket for wired net connection. They have just dialup modems.
But still good to use them just as such, more for text reading, like a
super heavy, glowing text reader )

I was offered a desktop PC recently by one of my contacts and wanted to
know why I was considered again. He said I was fast to collect it and polite.

He used to give them to nonprofits before. However, these days he has
the following issues with them as they want:
1. Free delivery and no gas money even
2. No Receipts for tax deduction
3. Full free installation of OS and programs
4. Full Support for lifetime of these PCs

So he has stopped giving these to them.

Here is my personality/approach in this regard when collecting items
from freecycle or just about anyone else:
1. Be friendly, humble and polite
2. Listen more and smile
3. Reflect and comment briefly on what they say
4. Eventho it is a free item, try to treat it as a barter and give
something in return they might like and use(I give my mini
abstract ptg.)
5. Even if enroute if I ask someone directions and they are helpful,
in the future, I will give one of these mini abstract ptgs., to them also.
6. Avoid being negative or condescending etc., in any ways. Karma is
there, what goes around, comes aroung.
7. Try to assist them, make it convenient for them etc., as much
as possible.
8. If you find useful info., they will appreciate even in future, email it to them.

Here is a tip I just got. If you buy a product, soon after coming home,
scan the receipt in a scanner or take a digital picture of it.
Store all these in a separate folder. This way, even if you have issues
with your item and the original receipt fades, you can still take a printout
of the scanned image. Quite a few receipts tend to fade these days I find,
also, this tip helps to keep the receipts organized.

This helps having to trash old IT stuff with issues what are still in warranty
where the receipt has faded.

Here is an idea to build a train from an old PC:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...view,3414.html

DOLLAR + STORE IT ACCESSORIES DEALS
For the fast few months, $ stores locally have been carying card readers,
USB HUBS
Mini Mouse
Mouse Pad
CD/DVD Media etc.,

It is very advisable to take a look at these stores atleast once every 3 months
as new products can be expected. If you see anything good, grab a few
more of these, as sometimes products are discontinued. The reason
these IT products at $+ stores are better than freecycle is that in
freecycle, one has to request this product, wait for a response, arrange
convenient time, then pick up the item. Time is money and all the tasks
said above will take a lot of time, specially if the pickup is far. So, compared
to all this, it is more economical to grab the item in $+ store if available.
If you find an good IT product in $ stores, please share here. This will be
a good learning experience for all.

On a different note, Futureshop offers exchange program for older IT stuff
more info. on it at: futureshop,ca They give discount upto 50 bucks or so
for old items. If you know someone who uses this service often or plans
to use it, connect with them and see if something can be worked out if
the items they are offering interests you.

Don't miss the free/barter columns in craigslist and kijiji. I see more TV,
furniture deals on kijiji locally but one never knows. Even if it is not
possible to see it on a daily basis, have a glance atleast once a week,
feel its flow and try to get a few items, even if small for a practise. Then
take it from there.

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Old 04-26-2013, 10:32 AM   #220
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If you read Levy's book you will find that the true definition of "hacker" is one who is an artisan able to create and mould systems to do their bidding. Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds and, to an extent, Bill Gates are hackers.
Of course with such intellect and skill comes curiosity (which breeds more skill of course) and that can lead to trouble when curiosity comes up against the false barriers of law. People like Jon Johannsen (DVD John) also hack so that they can legitimately do something that existing technology prevents due to corporate greed.

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Old 04-28-2013, 12:32 PM   #221
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It should have 8 MB ram. Not that it makes a world of difference...
 
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I forgot to mention that I was also given a Palm m125 from freecycle.
Its CPU is 33Mhz with 4Mb of Ram I think. It is so funny to use.

Infact, it is better to use a calculator and a normal notepad with a pen, than
use this device. If both batteries are removed at the same time, memory
is erased. Moreover, the battery is inserted in opposite ways to normal
devices. Battery drain is fast they say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_m100_series

http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=2590


Edit: my wife has a Palm Zire 72 that doubles as a smaller camera and mp3 player than
the IBM Lenovo Ideapad I bought her. You can use bluetooth on those palms with linux.

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Old 04-28-2013, 01:15 PM   #223
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I have a very old Pentium 2 PC, tried various linux distros and it is super slow when they load rarely, usually they don't boot. This thread is a last ditch effort for this PC. Here is the full post about this at another forum:
http://www.freedomlist.com/forum/vie...=223201#223201
That machine outdoes my "netbook" in some regards. I've been using a Toshiba 460CDT for the last while- I've been documenting my experiments here. Right now I'm running DSL 4.1 on it, and it does great, DSL actually runs really snappy on it. I have an ethernet card working with it, so I do have some network capability as well.
If you want to keep using it, great! Experiment with the super lightweight distros. If you want something to use more often (sounds like your machine is in pretty poor phyiscal shape) go with the raspberry pi.
 
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With all due respect, these posts look like spam. They're not related to GNU/Linux in any way, much less related to the thread title.

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Henceforth, I will be sharing anything remotely related to
Linux and Old PCs or offtopic in my Blog here. Please be sure to check it out.

Yesterday, I got a TV tuner card and 2 USB-Soundcards for free from a freecycle
contact. These are quite old and unfortunately there are no drivers for these.
The good thing about the USB sound cards are these can even be used
on a laptop with USB port on it. Never even knew these existed. The TV tuner card
card doesn't have a remote, also it will not work without a digital converter box
I was adviced. There are no brand names or logos on these items. Will try
these on my old PC in the future and share here how it goes. I really
hope to find some sort of linux drivers for these in the future.

More Limitations of this older PC observed.

XTPAINT
Using xtpaint software, I tried to do a digital art yesterday. There is a very nice
feature called the smudge function that is almost like an eraser but much
lighter and slowly allows to mix paints. It has a standard feature of the puppy
linux I have and worked in all other PCs. However, it doesn't work on this one.
No wonder such old PCs are not suitable for Schools these days.

ONLINE BANKING
For online banking, purchases and otehr similar financial transactions, this PC
is very slow and too insecure. So, it can't be trusted for these tasks
completely.

NET RADIO
There is a software in this called the stream tuner. It is old, so has the older
shoutcast web-site, none of those stations load. Only Xiph stations load.
Moreover, adding stations manuallyhas not worked so far. Listening to
international stations is interesting, due to limitations mentioned above,
I only get Russia, European and American radio stations on this radio.
However, those that comeup work quite well.

Puppy Linux has an option to Lock Screen from the desktop by clicking on the
lock icon. This feature has to be setup with a password. This entire feature
doesn't work on this old desktop, making it less secure in yet another aspect.

This desktop was freezing often recently. All personal files were transferred to
a single directory. This issue seems to have disappeared after this. Will
monitor this further.

Streamtuner was found to use a lot of CPU and Memory resources. So, I am
learning to grab the Netradio URLs from streamtuner and use them in
PupRadio. Pupradio is a lot more efficient for net radio.

I spoke with a contact today who has a few clients using a Pentium Pro
200 mmx PC as a NAT server. The P1 and older PCs are more limiting
as they don't have network port, USB ports, DVD Rom etc.,

Quote:
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If you want something to use more often (sounds like your machine is in pretty poor phyiscal shape) go with the raspberry pi.
A great thing about these older laptops and PCs in bad shape is the security issue. They look so bad that no one wants them, even for free. So a lot less chance that they will be stolen.
There are ways to mend them with superglue etc., However, unless it is vital, I prefer to leave them as such. The more new, the more attractive the laptop the higher the chance it will be stolen. I have been using my older PC often, this one is a P3 tower from 2001. The laptops are more of a
learning experience, I prefer desktops for regular use. In three years the pi will be used, in six years or so we will see them on freecycle I feel. Also, other similar cheaper, better devices are expected in the future.

Linux for Poverty.
Amazing project. Interesting to see the big turnover of
PCs here and the fact that approx. 50% are not usable for students.
Also, I haven't considered the fact that a CRT monitor can topple over and
be a physical hazard before. Comments at the end are also very interesting:
http://linuxlock.blogspot.ca/2010/06...minus-one.html
Best part is that they also use linux. Hope such projects expand to other
places also slowly.

For my part, I have to admit that my old PC is working so good, that I have
grown complacent with learning more in this regard and focusing on other
things in life specially as the weather is getting better to be outdoors.

Edited to add:
This related blog is also quite interesting:
http://linuxlock.blogspot.ca/
They seem to prefer SolusOS which needs 4G hard drive space at the minimum.
I don't see the need for such big a hard drive space for entire PC, now just for the OS.
If this is what the nonprofits are offering, then most of the older PCs will be recycled.
I am like a dinosaur and will be lucky if I find 100 folks or so who use such old PCs in North America.
Infact, the number may even be as low as 15 to 20.

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