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Old 04-08-2013, 08:59 PM   #196
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Getting an older PC working may not have financial gain. However, it can create a long lasting
friendship that is more rewarding in the longer run.

Mac hardware is similar to PC hardware as per this site. So Linux Live CDs and all other tips shared here
must work on Mac PCs:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/wind...-hardware.html
Older Macs are also slower on net etc., so will need lightweight browsers.
 
Old 04-08-2013, 10:02 PM   #197
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Mac hardware is similar to PC hardware as per this site. So Linux Live CDs and all other tips shared here
must work on Mac PCs:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/windows-os-software/454284-whaGetting an older PC working may not have financial gain. However, it can create a long lasting
friendship that is more rewarding in the longer run.ts-difference-between-mac-pc-hardware.html

Older Macs are also slower on net etc., so will need lightweight browsers.
That's only true if you've got a newer older mac. If it's circa 2006/2007, it MAY have a power pc chip in it. And if it's pre-2006, it IS power pc. Which most of the mainline distros don't support power pc chips.
 
Old 04-09-2013, 05:54 AM   #198
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I was adviced that Yellow Dog Linux from 1999 supported Power PC
But it is not free it appears.
 
Old 04-09-2013, 04:06 PM   #199
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My special thanks to Timothy Miller for his post about Mac and Linux. I must admit
I used a Mac last in 1994 or so. Never used one after that. So, based on just
one internet forum discussion I assumed that linux will work like a charm on even older Mac's.
In this case, as I wrote in just one of my former recent posts that my negative aspects
are complacency and over confidence. Well they did come to play already. I am glad it happened in this thread
and not in someone else's home or office when I tried this for real. I sincerely thank all those who
correct me when I am wrong or go off track here. If I come across an older Mac, it will be interesting
to try a few distros and see what kind of error messages, challenges comeup. Will also be
nice to try Yellow Dog Linux if possible. However, for the most part I am not a Mac user.
 
Old 04-10-2013, 01:27 AM   #200
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Yesterday the weather was perfect, I had a very nice walk for 3 hours
to and fro, went and collected my Cable. The traffic was very light and not
too many people on the street, so the sky was also good to watch.

Wiki link on nCurses for anyone interested in knowing more about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ncurses

This thread has shown me many times that I am thinking in a box and need
to think more openly. Here is one such again. I have been focusing mostly
on desktops. Think of older laptops and suddenly this thread becomes
very valuable.
It is good to hear that some of you like ncurses.

In my opinion, you can achieve the same aas with x11. There is too fb that you can use. you can use as well mplayer.

(some shots of one example (ncurses pim))
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:14 PM   #201
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There's a sort of movement to go off the grid in the U.S.A., these days with "unreliable" power and rising energy costs. For those of us not already off the grid.

At the end of the day, computers and networks don't make crops grow. And other in real life stuff that actually matters. And in many parts of this country, trash is still burned, not picked up.
 
Old 04-13-2013, 04:29 AM   #202
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This P3 tower makes loud sounds in the early morn. when I boot it.
Will use it as long as it lasts.

So, to respond to this fact about plants and crops. These grow on their own
by nature. No one can make them grow. However, we can enhance their
growth for our benefit. A spade or a tractor used in farming is also technology.
They on their own don't grow plants, trees etc., However, by plowing soil,
assisting harvest etc., these greatly enhance agriculture. Similarly, computers
don't grow foods. However, they are greatly used in agriculture, botany etc.,
these days. They help in farming, keeping track of things, logistics, food
distribution, PCs help in Engg., that make equip. for agricultural use etc.,
IT helps a lot in medicine also these days.

Agreed prep. is a vital topic. However, this is a linux forum and this
will go way off topic unless it involved linus. There is an off-topic forum
here for general chat and prepping can still be discused there for those
with that interest.

My grandpa had an Organic farm. He told me when I was real small that even
few generations ago, paper was not readily available and some wrote on
leaves(olai chuvadi) and stones even. The entire village had one main radio
that all used to gather and listen to at the end of the day. Broadcast was
just a few hours a day. After this, folks will discuss the news. No TV.
Also, there were just one or two chess sets for the village, few bought
newspapers, there was a small library sort off with one copy of major newspapers
that folks used to read. It was not regular if I recollect on weekdays, was
more regular on weekends. A lot of info. was passed by word of mouth. Not all
homes there had power, only a few rooms in my granpa's house had power. They
used a hand fan mostly to cool themselves when it was real hot in summer.
All this was ok and normal, I didn't reall miss electricity much then.
But everyone was very deeply happy and content. So, for me this is prep. is a part
of my early life. So, see how off topic this can get. However, I wanted to
share this here as it gives a glimpse at how life was without TV even.

This huge influx of tech in our lives does cause a huge vacuum in our lives,
we are cut off from the energy of nature and natural sorroundings. That is
why I go for walks a lot, write a lot with pens and ball pens. (The first
fountain pens I used didn't have reservoir, they had to be dipped in ink
after writing a few words.) I also paint and sketch a lot, landscapes, nature
fish a lot. Of late, I love color pencils and admire them a lot. My art helps
bring the countryside to the City. It is just amazing and I love it.

So, even tho I have worked in IT and have this thread, I have an offline
life that is even more bright, amazing, deep, gives great joy and satisfaction.
If I were to focus on just Linux and PCs all the time, I will be in hospital
quickly.
 
Old 04-13-2013, 04:34 AM   #203
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There were two offers for older laptops for me initially on freecycle. However,
later the owners decided to keep them for themselves and use them. I am
very happy with this decision they took.

The first one had a loose RAM and so was not booting, this was easily
fixed with my assistance over email. This was a Dell Latitude Cpi:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/24060/article.html

The second was an IBM A22m:
http://www.cnet.com/laptops/ibm-thin...7-5600305.html
the owner decided to keep this PC for her kids.

So, am glad that these PCs will be used again.
 
Old 04-13-2013, 04:42 AM   #204
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Also, speaking interms of prep. I asked a guy from Argentina
in the Puppy Linux IRC Channel, why didn't you buy a new PC,
this sounds so old. He said he is quiet poor. After the bailout in Argentina,
he mostly survived with just rice and hot sauce., that too small servings.
Sometimes, there was nothing to eat and he just went hungry.
Even professionals were dumpster diving there then.
I was really touched to hear all this. No wonder he appreciates older PCs.
He seemed pretty comfortable and knowledgable with linux.
So, if such things were to happen, Linux can be part of the solution as
opposed to being a burden as long as there is power.
 
Old 04-13-2013, 06:08 AM   #205
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2 examples of practical uses of Linux\IT in agriculture\food:

1. Free Ebook on Culinary Herbs:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/21414...-h/21414-h.htm

2. Local advt. for Free Food to give away:
http://montreal.fr.craigslist.ca/zip/3740204836.html

3. Here is an extra: Tons of Recipes on the net. These help a lot with
cooking.

Linux\IT\Old PCs are great tools, knowing how to use them and using
them well will give great benefits.
 
Old 04-13-2013, 07:48 AM   #206
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A few comments on prepping. Since, this topic came up here in the form of off-grid
living etc., I just wanted to share some related points. Preppers are using PCs
and info. online to connect with other preppers, learn etc., So, again, Linux,
old PC, IT stuff is good for this.

There are fears of North Korean news these days. Also, suddenly sink holes
are forming:
http://englishrussia.com/2011/11/18/...isappear-soon/
Even Govts. can do little to prevent such stuff.

This world is not any person's permanent home. Sooner or later we all have to
leave this place. We can escape economic collapse, natural disasters etc.,
however disease and old age no one can escape. Understanding and preparing
for this is the ultimate in prep.

On a lighter side, I hope this site atleast encourages a few here to do
Linux, Old PC, IT Sketches. Will be nice to see:
http://www.urbansketchers.org
 
Old 04-14-2013, 04:29 AM   #207
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Speaking of Prep. Look at Moldova pictures here:
http://englishrussia.com/2012/11/22/...e/#more-114316

Again, thanks to Linux and Old PC, this is link is brought here.
Prepp companies scare folks and then offer different products.
But no matter what they do, nothing comes close to natural prep. like
in the link above. Look at the poor Cubans who used to come by boat
to Miami. They had almost nothing but still made it. Too many prepp
products out there, how many are actually being used ?

Today is Sunday, forget IT, forget hardware/software, just enjoy those
pictures, the beauty, nature, scenary of Moldova. Find pleasure in
being lost for a few moments.
 
Old 04-14-2013, 02:50 PM   #208
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That's only true if you've got a newer older mac. If it's circa 2006/2007, it MAY have a power pc chip in it. And if it's pre-2006, it IS power pc. Which most of the mainline distros don't support power pc chips.
Wrong

You still can install Debian/Ubuntu and many more on PowerPC hardware

http://mac.linux.be/

(But yes, web browsing will be painfully slow on low end Macs)
 
Old 04-15-2013, 09:46 AM   #209
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Wrong

You still can install Debian/Ubuntu and many more on PowerPC hardware

http://mac.linux.be/

(But yes, web browsing will be painfully slow on low end Macs)
Thanks a lot for this info./link. Using a light web browser like Dillo or Midori will be easy
once Linux is running and this will greatly help with a good browsing speed\experience.
 
Old 04-15-2013, 09:48 AM   #210
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Few other interesting related stuff discussed here so far:

If you feel that your PC is demon posessed read this:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/03...possessed_pcs/
Some solutions:
1. Save vital info. to a flash drive.
2. Wipe out the hard drive
3. Use Linux Live CD
4. If this doesn't help, then give PC away and tell the reason to the new owner.
5. If new owner also has same issues, then recycle it.

The push for new/better PC never ends. In the future they will be pushing the 64bit PC with upto
128Gb Ram. So the hardware keeps growing. It is good to see what they are pushing.
http://www.tech-forums.net/forums/f9...it-x64-171390/

Article saying desktop linux is dead:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/20799...m_is_dead.html
The move for DRM and more movies etc., never ends. I rarely watch movies.
Moreover, local libraries offer lots of movie DVDs for borrowing. However,
there is no time to be glued to screen. Better for me to use older PC
with very limited uptime.

Someone offered me a external USB cd burner on freecycle yesterday but I decided to
let others a shot at it first. I have this on other devices, also don't
feel like I am in for this sort of long commute. I am thankful for being
considered first tho.

More Comments on Prepping
There are so many eBooks on Gutenberg that can be used for prepping.
Just for growing vegetables etc., there are lots of eBooks.
Also, on other subjects like rural living etc.,
To read all these boooks alone will take two life spans I feel, so one
has to choose the most practical and vital aspects.
So, there is no need to reinvent the wheel, these books have been
written by people with lots of practical experience in those days.

One thing about the Prep crowd I feel is that they feel life is
permanent illussion. Even with best prepp efforts, max. a person
can survive for 20 years extra and 5 to 10 on average. I don't
have hard facts for this but this is just my opinion. If there is not a
good community to find suitable mates and no good long term support system,
then in one generation max. it will end.

Very nice article on how Hacker's Protect Themselves:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2333527.html
This is good to know. One tip I have to share is that don't keep your
PC connected all the time to net. Connect only if needed and briefly,
do stuff on net as fast as possible. If going on chat, or listening to radio etc.,
keep browsers closed.
 
  


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