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Old 03-28-2013, 09:59 AM   #166
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Today, I went to salvation army stores to donate some clothes. Saw 2 used PCs there, this is all they had.

PC #1
HP Desktop Pentium 4
Ram missing.
Case comes off easily (This can be solved with duct tape)
Dust inside the case was like sweater
It has 2 PCI cards for the older phone dialup modem (One is probably an upgrade)
Price $20.
COMMENTS: Not worth carrying this home(transportation), cleaning the insides well(air can cost)
then try to get RAM for this and see if it works.
POSSIBLE USE: Speak to manager and see if for a smaller amount they will allow the removal of the CDR/W drive, floppy drive etc.,
Even then, there is a chance that these will not work.

PC #2
eMachine
Case open in one side and cover is missing. However, everything seems to be intact inside.
Also seems clean inside. Can only guess that the cover was either used for something else or got lost during the move.
No price on this PC.
160GB hard drive
DVD R/W
Floppy Drive
COMMENTS:
Can bring this PC home and then use it for parts. Or better yet, remove parts in store and bring it home. Speak to manager about this.
In reflection, when carrying this PC, if it slips or falls, it can cause serious injury and may also be damaged itself. Better to remove parts and not bring it home.

GENERAL OVERVIEW:
I was sad to see these PCs and they shocked me. I complained about this to the employees and they took them inside quickly. They looked worried. This is probably going to be the case of other PCs left on the curbside also. Need to think creatively on the solution about how these PCs can be used as opposed to focusing on the problem. In any case, it is very vital to open a used PC, check the insides. If buying from store, verify also that it boots properly and there are no other hardware issues, test sound, video and the ODD drives well, take blank CD/DVD and see if they burn ok (where burn ODD is present.) Wow, what an experience indeed.

Most PC users are not tech savy and don't clean the insides regularly I am assuming at this time. This is something to be very careful about as if such a PC is plugged in and used directly, then it can cause a fire.
 
Old 03-28-2013, 11:06 AM   #167
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See, in a few years, there will be more of these PCs even better ones and cheaper price. So, unless one is desperate, there is no point in wasting time with such stuff.
 
Old 03-28-2013, 11:08 AM   #168
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I was just advised by email to come and get the printer/scanner. Went ASAP and got it. Glad to have it. Will try it later and see how it goes. Another good score for sure !! )

She sent just one email and then didn't respond, it was not marked as taken either on freecycle. So, I kept emailing her politely and sweetly twice a day saying I would still like to have the printer if available. Soon as she had some time, she asked me to come on over and take it.

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Old 03-28-2013, 02:46 PM   #169
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Sometimes, I wonder if I am making too much of this recycling. There were transistor radio, valve radios, loud speakers, vinyl records, gramphone, telephones, cassette decks, cassette tape etc., before this. They have all been trashed it appears and we don't hear about them much or their effects. Comments welcome from all, specially negative comments/criticisms. Don't be hesitant, these are all good learning experiences.

Thanks in advance.
 
Old 03-28-2013, 03:54 PM   #170
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console mode no?
 
Old 03-29-2013, 04:52 AM   #171
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On a different note, a look at future technology. Networking thru powerlines:
http://www.futureshop.ca/EN-CA/product/id/10181670.aspx

There are youtube videos on this also. Felt like sharing this here, it will help in future I feel. (Will be quite a few years before we see one of these on freecycle. However, we will see these on sale for sure, even at 50 bucks perhaps in a few years. Only question is, is so much networking really needed.)
 
Old 03-29-2013, 06:56 AM   #172
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console mode no?
This is good from theoretical point of view. However, X is convenient and PII/later systems have no issues running X.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 06:58 AM   #173
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I was just advised by email to come and get the printer/scanner. Went ASAP and got it. Glad to have it. Will try it later and see how it goes. Another good score for sure !! )

She sent just one email and then didn't respond, it was not marked as taken either on freecycle. So, I kept emailing her politely and sweetly twice a day saying I would still like to have the printer if available. Soon as she had some time, she asked me to come on over and take it.
Try to get this working. Watched related you tube videos before like how to change cartridge etc., . Learning about it more by reading the manual (HP F4480):

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/vie...852cd1672fe10b

http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/downloads.html

http://www.openprinting.org/printer/...t_F4480_series

and also a thread on it at LQ
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...copies-806658/


EDIT: Wow, this is not easy at all. Lots to read and do for this at:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=27519

Typing this in browser brings up CUPS printing:
http://localhost:631/

Having hard time with this in Puppy Linux. Lots to install, configure. For printing it is detected as HPF4400 but doesn't print test page even.

Ubuntu users say they have no issues using this device, including for scanning, it is detected auto:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1504751
Maybe I should just burn Ubuntu Live CD and use that just for this device to scan etc., Will try this later.

Wow, I got the scan function working. Had to install the hplip*scan*.pet from below:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/vie...=444080#444080
Tried installing the drivers for printing also from above but still not working, will think on that later
printing is not that vital. Moreover, toners are also expensive.
I can just print at library etc., of needed.
Thanks to the net indeed for all these conveniences.

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Old 03-29-2013, 01:37 PM   #174
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Originally Posted by rvijay View Post
Today, I went to salvation army stores to donate some clothes. Saw 2 used PCs there, this is all they had.

PC #1
HP Desktop Pentium 4
Ram missing.
Case comes off easily (This can be solved with duct tape)
Dust inside the case was like sweater
It has 2 PCI cards for the older phone dialup modem (One is probably an upgrade)
Price $20.
COMMENTS: Not worth carrying this home(transportation), cleaning the insides well(air can cost)
then try to get RAM for this and see if it works.
POSSIBLE USE: Speak to manager and see if for a smaller amount they will allow the removal of the CDR/W drive, floppy drive etc.,
Even then, there is a chance that these will not work.

PC #2
eMachine
Case open in one side and cover is missing. However, everything seems to be intact inside.
Also seems clean inside. Can only guess that the cover was either used for something else or got lost during the move.
No price on this PC.
160GB hard drive
DVD R/W
Floppy Drive
COMMENTS:
Can bring this PC home and then use it for parts. Or better yet, remove parts in store and bring it home. Speak to manager about this.
In reflection, when carrying this PC, if it slips or falls, it can cause serious injury and may also be damaged itself. Better to remove parts and not bring it home.

GENERAL OVERVIEW:
I was sad to see these PCs and they shocked me. I complained about this to the employees and they took them inside quickly. They looked worried. This is probably going to be the case of other PCs left on the curbside also. Need to think creatively on the solution about how these PCs can be used as opposed to focusing on the problem. In any case, it is very vital to open a used PC, check the insides. If buying from store, verify also that it boots properly and there are no other hardware issues, test sound, video and the ODD drives well, take blank CD/DVD and see if they burn ok (where burn ODD is present.) Wow, what an experience indeed.

Most PC users are not tech savy and don't clean the insides regularly I am assuming at this time. This is something to be very careful about as if such a PC is plugged in and used directly, then it can cause a fire.
I was absolutely selfish and miserly yesterday. Prefer to be sincere about this here. See the salvation army has a huge rent to pay, then pay their staff, they also have additional expenses and finally they also help others who are less fortunate. So for me to think fully in terms of dollars for whatever they sold was totally selfish. They only sell what they are donated, they take donations from all, they also give job and try to assist others without much experience etc., So for me to go there and start pointing faults to their employees was totally wrong. They will only feel bad and don't have the background to correct those issues. Also, thoughts of trying to low ball the manager, price negotiator were also quite unwarranted as this is not a regular used PC store.

If they wanted 20 bucks for this PC, then I must have offered them 25 or even 30 bucks, taken a chance, gotten the PC home and used it for parts. Upon much reflection I have reached this conclusion. I will behave this way in the future in such stores.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 03:45 PM   #175
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A lot of what I assumed in this thread in terms of general environment and healthy economy in Canada that will last forever is being questioned now. We can see other countries going thru bailouts and the challenges they are facing from net news/articles. Here is a proposal for a similar situation in Canada:
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/a...ernment-budget

When this goes thru here in full, new PCs will not be affordable to most here also. Affordability of Power will also most likely be affected. Looking at those countries that have been thru such a situation and observing their PC usage will shed a more correct picture of the future in Canada as well.
 
Old 03-30-2013, 10:52 AM   #176
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Here is an article that gives a micro view of what happens after a bail out to the common person and businesses:
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/a...e-global-elite

I realize now that instead of building fantasies in clouds, the real picture needs to be understood first. Only, then can linux choices be made.

If such a bail out happens, most stores that sell new PCs will go out of business as most simply can't afford them. Moreover, many will not be able to afford heating, electricity and net fees monthly. Lastly, jobs will be wiped out as businesses will be closed due to their funds being blocked. So, if there are any community organizations like a library that still get funding, then net can be used here in a very limited fashion. Net cafe's are another choice. However, ISPs simply can't afford to operate at such a low base, they may either have to charge far higher fees, or they may also close with their funds being blocked.

So, PC use may be regulated to few hours, places when power is affordable/available. Also, if net is not available, which will most likely be the case, then PC use will be limited whatever software, media is already available. If you don't already have it, then there is a good chance you will not get it after the bail out.

Lastly, PC manufacturers may themselves close if their funds are blocked and/or if they don't get enough sales etc., Old PCs may become valuable then. However, what will be more valuable will be pen and paper as more will have to resort to these. Books will also gain value.

Folks may even take their old PCs in their attic out, clean the insides well, ensure that it works at a shop and may sell or barter it for other goods or services even. Support for Linux will drop greatly as older OS will do for most old PCs. There will be no real reason to develop new distros and if they are, these will be reserved for the elite few to benefit from the latest hardware that will be super expensive.
 
Old 03-30-2013, 12:04 PM   #177
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Upon reflection, for those in regions with such challenges, a tablet PC would be very invaluable. No monthly fees, use in wifi spots if and where available. There will be great demand at these spots and very slow performance. Also, there may be places that one can charge such devices for a small fee. Keeping a few of these tablets in hand will be priceless as these will greatly increase in value.

Once the battery is done, chances are these tablets are toast. So, these will have to be used very sparingly only for the most vital communications, that too almost like telegram in older days.

If one has an IT related job in such a market where resources are greatly challenged, a PC gets infected with malware and if it can be restored with Linux, then this will be greatly appreciated in such times. This will have to be a real quick fix tho, there will no time reinvent the wheel. So, keeping a few Linux OSes burned to media in hand for such PCs in advance would help. If it were me, I would burn and keep atleast five copies for each distro and keep in different locations if possible.
 
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I was absolutely selfish and miserly yesterday. Prefer to be sincere about this here. See the salvation army has a huge rent to pay, then pay their staff, they also have additional expenses and finally they also help others who are less fortunate. So for me to think fully in terms of dollars for whatever they sold was totally selfish. They only sell what they are donated, they take donations from all, they also give job and try to assist others without much experience etc., So for me to go there and start pointing faults to their employees was totally wrong. They will only feel bad and don't have the background to correct those issues. Also, thoughts of trying to low ball the manager, price negotiator were also quite unwarranted as this is not a regular used PC store.
If its anything like the salvation army in Austrlaia, the counter staff are not employees, they are voulenteers.

You can make excuses for the salvation army all you want- in the end if they dont know what they are selling, should they be selling it?

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Upon reflection, for those in regions with such challenges, a tablet PC would be very invaluable. No monthly fees, use in wifi spots if and where available. There will be great demand at these spots and very slow performance. Also, there may be places that one can charge such devices for a small fee. Keeping a few of these tablets in hand will be priceless as these will greatly increase in value.

Once the battery is done, chances are these tablets are toast. So, these will have to be used very sparingly only for the most vital communications, that too almost like telegram in older days.
Tablets are not modular, they arent meant to be worked on at all, let alone by average techies (apple et. al would rather you threw the old one away and buy a new one).

Waste of time and money if you want somethign long lasting and that you can work on IMO.

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If such a bail out happens, most stores that sell new PCs will go out of business as most simply can't afford them. Moreover, many will not be able to afford heating, electricity and net fees monthly. Lastly, jobs will be wiped out as businesses will be closed due to their funds being blocked. So, if there are any community organizations like a library that still get funding, then net can be used here in a very limited fashion. Net cafe's are another choice. However, ISPs simply can't afford to operate at such a low base, they may either have to charge far higher fees, or they may also close with their funds being blocked.

So, PC use may be regulated to few hours, places when power is affordable/available. Also, if net is not available, which will most likely be the case, then PC use will be limited whatever software, media is already available. If you don't already have it, then there is a good chance you will not get it after the bail out.

Lastly, PC manufacturers may themselves close if their funds are blocked and/or if they don't get enough sales etc., Old PCs may become valuable then. However, what will be more valuable will be pen and paper as more will have to resort to these. Books will also gain value.

Folks may even take their old PCs in their attic out, clean the insides well, ensure that it works at a shop and may sell or barter it for other goods or services even. Support for Linux will drop greatly as older OS will do for most old PCs. There will be no real reason to develop new distros and if they are, these will be reserved for the elite few to benefit from the latest hardware that will be super expensive.
Dont beleive the hype over bank bailouts etc.. The world really should have been doing what the Icelanders did, rather than writing 'free checks' to the wan.., er, bankers.

Computer manufacturers are not going to fail en mass anytime soon. Even if they did, theres plently of manufacturers who are bit players at best who could ramp up very quickly if needed or wanted.

The government would not be able to regulate computer use. Power may be an issue, but computers use less power than many household applicances and some of the 'low power' solutions use less power than a lightbulb... Like the raspberry pi. Tiny power requirements, very cheap, very easy to get. Its also why IMO P2s and P3s arent worth working on anymore....you can get a Raspberry pi with as much or more CPU power, 512MB and very low heat output for a similar amout or less than the old p2/p3s.
 
Old 04-01-2013, 04:27 AM   #179
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See, even without bailouts, things are like this in some places:
http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/201...om-looks-like/

There are people who sell broken things online, they are honest about its condition and sell it as it is. Salvation army can do this also.
Yes many there are also volunteers. Tablets are a practical solution in a very demanding situation atleast for the short term.

Here is an example, consider the 65 year old man from Cyprus in that article provided earlier who lost all his savings. It would be wiser for him to sell his PC if he had one to assist his family, than use it. This would be the case for most it is expected.

Lastly, Iceland was a very ideal situation, not everyone is going to go this way unfortunately.

Let us consider a few countries that went thru a similar situation before: Argentina, Mexico, Russia etc., Net use is still there presently, but only among those who can afford it and are privileged to use it via job etc., It would be wonderful if Govts. gave free net, power and PCs for all but this is not the case.
 
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Dell is called a troubled PC maker as per this article
http://apnews.myway.com//article/201...DA5B2FG81.html

Comments: Things like bail out, poor economy are all big issues with a lot of factors. A very small person like me can only share opinion on what they know from a very small perspective. Dell is quite a big PC maker. I didn't even expect such an article like the one above.

I am still trying to understand what other rosy pictures I have about economy and other factors in general. It is a path of slow discovery. This is very hard to understand truly, but no clients = no sales = dead business. In a tight economy people are less likely to upgrade, if there are bail outs with life savings lost and no job, then a family in distress may even sell their PC for scrap to a poor farmer who pities them and gives them a meal in exchange for this.
 
  


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