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Old 04-17-2014, 09:26 PM   #1
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Another Reason To Turn Off GPS on Your Phone


Facebook will be tracking you even more than they already do. http://wtkr.com/2014/04/17/facebook-...cking-feature/

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Facebook is introducing a mobile feature called Nearby Friends that taps into that steady stream of location information so friends can track each other in real time.
They say it's to make your life more fulfilling.
 
Old 04-17-2014, 09:50 PM   #2
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you know one of the premises of the sci-fi channel ( refuse yo use the BLEEPED up new name) show "continuum" is looking closer and closer
the nsa "total awareness" on steroids

soon there will be a "Leninistic " face on EVERY screen

but who will be the "thought police"
 
Old 04-17-2014, 10:12 PM   #3
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I predict that many folks who complain loudly about the NSA (and I'm a no fan of the NSA) will quite happily let Facebook follow them around all day without thinking twice.
 
Old 04-17-2014, 10:28 PM   #4
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I predict that many folks who complain loudly about the NSA (and I'm a no fan of the NSA) will quite happily let Facebook follow them around all day without thinking twice.
Do you not understand the difference between them?
 
Old 04-17-2014, 10:46 PM   #5
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What difference?
 
Old 04-17-2014, 11:01 PM   #6
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what difference ?
the US of A is no longer a democracy it is an Oligarchy
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/oligarchy.html

PDF warning
http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gi...s%203-7-14.pdf

soon nations will have less power that the corporations ( some already are)

welcome to the new feudal society
kings,princes,and castles are out
meet the new version
the Chairman of the broad, the CEO, the CFO and the corporation
then all "the little people" the workers

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Old 04-18-2014, 12:32 AM   #7
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From my blog: The NSA is the Least of our Worries ...
 
Old 04-18-2014, 04:34 AM   #8
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you know one of the premises of the sci-fi channel ( refuse yo use the BLEEPED up new name) show "continuum" is looking closer and closer
{...}
but who will be the "thought police"
And what is wrong with that? Again just like before in other topic - as long as we have choice(s) it actually is for our own benefit. Imagine old days when there was no GPS. You would go to some forest or cave expedition and get lost or stuck. How can they rescue you? Using Lessie? Too much movie watching. Also it still is helpful when finding someone. Even if you register on that facebook or w/e you can still control what and how much info you are revealing to public.

Thought police? There was movie not long ago about prison where they had AI who scanned thoughts of inmates. Forgot title so need to search if need on your own.

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Old 04-18-2014, 04:49 AM   #9
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what difference ?
the US of A is no longer a democracy it is an Oligarchy
And has been for decades.

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soon nations will have less power that the corporations ( some already are)
This, also, is nothing new. Some multinationals have had a larger income than some nations for decades as well.

No use crying foul now.
 
Old 04-18-2014, 01:38 PM   #10
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who will be the "thought police"
We have a "thought police" already; namely, the media and internet (or rather the intelligence agencies spying us through internet).
 
Old 04-18-2014, 02:42 PM   #11
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I don't use Facebook, but I do turn of GPS on my phone. It says that 911 calls are still tracked using GPS. Probably the NSA also has a method to track your phone even with the function disabled.
 
Old 04-18-2014, 08:13 PM   #12
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Your phone can always be triangulated from cell towers. It's just not as precise.

I have a weather thingee on my phone--it came with the phone--and, if I accidently tap it, it asks me to turn on location services so as to "provide better service." Really, now, I doubt the weather is all that much different in the next zip code.

It is certain that many corporations know a lot more about the great majority of you than does the NSA. And the corporations are willing to sell it to all comers. On the difference between corporations and the NSA, ask yourself this:

Who would you trust more: a bunch of persons who, however misguided and poorly led they may be, think they that they are serving (or at least trying to serve) their country or a corporation that wants your money any way it squeeze or bamboozle it out of you.

I think it is, at best, a toss-up.

Edit:

Just to be clear, I think that much of what the NSA and other police agencies federal, state, and local, do in terms of surveillance violates the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution, as well as international treaties and obligations and must be curbed. It is illegal.

Nevertheless, I find snooping on the part of corporations to be, if not as illegal, thanks to their incomprehensible EULAs, more immoral and certainly indecent and deceptive. And I will give Google great credit for trying to write its EULAs in plain language.

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Old 04-19-2014, 04:33 AM   #13
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About that "thought police" -> http://getmindsmart.com/AI_THOUGHT_POLICE.html <-
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Nice article. Reminds me of paranoia theory that everything that is released for general public is against us. Including linux. Such as so called AntiVirus - legit spy software that acts as masquerade for other purposes.
BUT if you really worry about everything then how can you live? Kinda what some religious folks are teaching that nowadays almost everything is sin = yeah so? Why worry if we can't do anything to prevent it or when we don't have alternatives to not sin?
Gravity is also another forced example - might aswell learn to deal with it and use it for our own needs.
 
Old 04-19-2014, 04:56 AM   #14
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Facebook will be tracking you even more than they already do. http://wtkr.com/2014/04/17/facebook-...cking-feature/

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They say it's to make your life more fulfilling.
I would think the better solution would be to just not install the Facebook app if you don't want to be tracked by them.
 
Old 04-19-2014, 08:04 AM   #15
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On a phone I recently bought, Facebook was already installed and running, and portions of it cannot be turned off without jailbreaking.

But, just look at the apps that are installed and what permissions they require. Look at how many access your address-book and your current location. Notice also how much stuff winds up in your address book that you never put there.

You are carrying around a dossier in your own pocket. And it's not the government that has that data!

To intentionally whack-a-mole hot spot here ... if I were Al Quaeda ... and I wanted to cleverly attack Americans ... what I would do is plant a few willing young "programmers who knew Hadoop" in an outsourced IT shop somewhere in Bangladore. I'd make sure that my "outsourced IT organization" produced excellent work at the Lowest Price.

I would know everything about the location of most of the citizens of America for the last several years, and I would know it right now, so that I could plot my diabolical evils in complete leisure.

Put that "national security scenario" in your pipe and smoke it. Hard. Because it's real, and it's real right now, and, being fellow geeks, you know it.

Think of scenarios much more insidious than "a bomb going off in a public place." (That's so 20th Century ...) Just think outside the box, soon enough to start writing letters and making noise in legislative places.
 
  


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