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Old 04-11-2014, 01:23 AM   #1
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And now... wait for it... the case of Tamiflu


From Ben Goldacre: http://www.theguardian.com/business/...als-big-pharma
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the UK government spent 0.5bn stockpiling this drug in the hope that it would help prevent serious side-effects from flu infection.
The only relevant question: Are politicians more stupid than venal or more venal than stupid?
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:15 AM   #2
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Sounds like a drug company had a very savvy salesman.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 01:12 PM   #3
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I remember that in the 2009 flu panic, all the papers were crying out for the government to stockpile vaccines and antivirals; I don't remember anyone saying no. The problem was not that the government was taken in by a sales pitch, but that Roche concealed the results of their clinical trials.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 01:21 PM   #4
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Being on the downside slope of a 4 week flu infection. Figure I have 2 more weeks of this crap.

I did not see any syringes in the West Texas deserts.

Tea and Honey and a army blanket covering me over a pot of steaming potatoes inhaling the steam to break the fever were my only friends besides

https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com...1538cbb58a.jpg

Tammi Flu. No bueno por nada.
 
Old 04-11-2014, 10:08 PM   #5
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Big pharma decided to forego healthcare for profits a long time ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/he...-in-bills.html
 
Old 04-12-2014, 01:01 AM   #6
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Politicians are to blame, or the people that vote for them (or allow the plutocracy to prop up sham elections)?
 
Old 04-12-2014, 01:32 AM   #7
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Even if talking after is always easy, I knew it.
The big pharma industries have always ridden the wave of the unjustified alert, as for this flu inflection. And this thanks to media that, how often happens, for days/weeks have anguished us with this "terrible pandemic".
And I've not difficulty to believe that gov, media and pharmas were in accord to mount this wave.
The worst is that too often nobody is punished.

Well, we are just talking about our money and our health.
 
Old 04-12-2014, 05:16 AM   #8
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How much intelligence does it require to know that if you want an objective test of the efficacy of something, don't turn it over to a party with a very strong interest in the result. Duh...........
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Old 04-14-2014, 11:32 AM   #9
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A "flu shot" costs about 7 to produce and can be sold for $25.

The odds are slim-to-none that the actual influenza virus genotype that actually infects you will trigger an immune reaction caused by the flu-shot are actually slim to none. But the injection is immensely profitable, and that's the end of it.
 
Old 04-14-2014, 11:34 AM   #10
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A "flu shot" costs about 7 to produce and can be sold for $25.

The odds are slim-to-none that the actual influenza virus genotype that actually infects you will trigger an immune reaction caused by the flu-shot are actually slim to none. But the injection is immensely profitable, and that's the end of it.

In the USA, at least, "health care" (sic[k] ...) is a purely for profit industry, as is "health insurance" (sic[k] ...). It is also an industry with immense political influence, caused by "contributions" of literally hundreds of millions of dollars a month to elected and appointed officials throughout the system.
 
Old 04-22-2014, 01:14 AM   #11
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the FDA is nothing more than a rubber stamp of approval for big money
just offer a do nothing high paying consultants job to the right official and you get any thing approved as a drug

shame nobody is willing to do the same thing for marijuana it would be legal in less than a week
 
Old 04-23-2014, 01:22 AM   #12
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the FDA is nothing more than a rubber stamp of approval for big money
just offer a do nothing high paying consultants job to the right official and you get any thing approved as a drug

shame nobody is willing to do the same thing for marijuana it would be legal in less than a week
I think that sums up quite well the function of government as we now know it. It explains why government officials need so much security against the very people they are supposed to be representing. The system is not broken; indeed it is functioning quite well, exactly as it was designed to do.

Apparently marijuana is now legal, at least in Denver. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/20/us...end/index.html
Enjoy!
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Old 04-23-2014, 12:49 PM   #13
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This may be relevant:
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2014/...?spt=sec&or=hn
 
Old 04-24-2014, 12:23 AM   #14
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Yes, it seems to be pretty much a summary of the original articles on the matter.
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