Also, he was born on a U.S. military base. AFAIK (my fiancee is in the Air Force) US military bases are considered American soil, as are embassy's in foreign countries. I don't know if this falls under the "natural born" clause, but it would seem unfair to deny someone the right to be president because their parents were in a foreign country to ensure that US citizens have the freedoms they have.

My wife was born abroad in Germany on a U.S. military base and hospital. Her birth certificate states she is a natural born citizen while her father was on military duty.

Military bases, Embassies and the like are all considered U.S. soil. Think of the embassies, the laws of that country in question do not apply to those within the embassy.

So yes, McCain has every right to run as President as a natural born citizen. His father was an Admiral in the Navy for crying out loud and was a U.S. Citizen, as was his mother so that makes McCain a natural born citizen according to law.

Being born to two parent who are citizens of the U.S. as long as one parent has lived in the U.S. makes you natural born regardless of whether your were born in an embassy or U.S. military installation. So Mr. McCain is a natural born U.S. citizen under Title 8 of the U.S. Code. He also meets the requirement of being a U.S. citizen at the time of the adoption of our Consitution.

Most of my life I've been calling them the DemoPublicans (flip sides of same coin). No matter which one of their candidates wins...we're in for trouble. One has an obvious constitutional crisis, the other is misty enough in the same area to generate the same issues. (Do you really believe this was a coincidence?) On top of that we have an artificially generated economic crisis of historical proportions.... does anyone honestly believe this is all accidental? They are going to force the constitution to be opened for amendment, during this time period they will drive the US into bankruptcy, they'll justify changing the constitution, the dollar will be history, we'll have marshall law and the next thing you will see... it ain't gonna be pretty. I give it 6 months max before we have a dictatorship or rebellion or both. The Amero, the NAU is coming, whether we want it or not. We're just the sh-theads that pay for it all while the senate dances to the daily waltz from wall street. We haven't had any control of them since the last civil war...study the history books! We're getting a new chapter.

How's it feel to be a sheeple? We've got one chance left, and that's if the Supreme Court declares both candidates to be ineligible, then the next one in line would automatically win. Historically, Congress gives the winning president a one day shot at approving his bills, then they go back to doing whatever it was before they had the interruption.

My Mother once heard a politician give a speech. He was speaking off of note cards, probably written by his staff. Suddenly he stopped speaking and said "I disagree with my last statement".

A neighbor of my Grandfather was running for a commission seat. He went from farm to farm asking his neighbors if they would vote for him. He was a jerk and everyone said "sure" just to get rid of him. When the election results were tallied, he recieved only two votes, from himself and his wife, so no one was able to deny not voting for him.

So for all those that live in the U.S. and didn't do early voting, go vote!

I recommend you don't vote, it's a waste of time and has a bad cost/benefit ratio. But, I guess if you need that boost in self-esteem, go ahead.

I regret to say that I am actually registered. I thought I wasn't, but when I renewed my tx-id card, I was registered automatically, as well as being registered for ...selective service!? shit...

Well anyways, I'm still not voting. Once this feel-good bullshit atmosphere about Obama ends, reality will set in, and set in hard. In the end it still doesn't really matter who you vote for, this country has been bought by corporations, and controlled by lobbyists that outweigh your vote completely. This is a country where now your own fucking credit score determines if you get a job or not. Can you believe that? If you don't have a credit card, you may not be eligible for a job. A real job, not some shit job at a fast food joint, etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efKguI0NFek

Again, you should vote, but in most states the only patriotic choices for president are Ralph Nader and Chuck Baldwin.

If you can't make that kind of commitment to honesty and vision, you're better off following H_TeXMeX_H's advice. There is no difference between the two War Party candidates. You'll just be wasting your time and your franchise.

You know I would vote for Nader if I thought he had a chance ... but I know he doesn't. This is a 2 party system, there is nothing that's going to change that.

You're not voting for him because you think he might win. In spite of the MSM clamor, this is not a horse race. It's an opportunity to make your voice in the wilderness heard.

I don't get all the hate towards a two party system. Don't get me wrong, more parties would be nice, but it would be FAR from the panacea that most people seem to assume. Just look at places where there are viable third parties. A lot of things don't turn out the way you would think.

As evidence, I'll point to my home state of Minnesota. There is a reasonably viable third party there, but it has only managed to elect one of its own to higher office (Jesse Ventura as governor). Most of the rest of the time it causes a vote split that puts people into office who wouldn't be elected in a two-party system. Tim Pawlenty anyone?

Or look at places where multiple parties are a historic fact, like the UK. When was the last time the Liberals (or whatever they're calling themselves now) actually managed to get elected to much of anything? Or look at Israel, where tiny religious parties end up with power far exceeding their numbers because neither major party regularly wins enough to form a government on their own. It seems that in most places, things seem to evolve into a two party system with occasional upheavals resulting in the replacement of one of those parties.

There is no such thing as a perfect political system, and ignoring the one you've got just because you don't like it seems like a waste to me.

To all those that say voting is a waste of time, you're vote doesn't count.. you're full of shit. You're not only voting for the President on a national level where it might not make that big a difference but you're also voting for local candidates and propositions that do impact your life on a larger scale than perhaps who the President is.

So go and vote, if you don't want to vote for a particular candidate for President, skip that option and vote for the other people, propositions, etc. You do make a difference and it's not wasting your time.

I highly believe that if you don't vote, you forfeit all bitching rights of who is in office, locally or on a federal level and the propositions proposed at the polls on election day.

My vote doesn't count mentality is just pure laziness. It took me all but 5 minutes of my time to go vote in early voting on the way to drop the kid off at preschool and I even got to witness an accident at the 4 way stop while leaving the poll cause some dumbass decided they were above the law and the stop sign and didn't stop when they were suppose to.

That's not really true because most voters are idiots who have no idea what their vote means. The nation would be much better served if voters had to demonstrate some level of competence before being allowed near a voting booth.

As you say, there are many issues as important as the presidential election, but it's the only one that makes a thread such as this possible. The obvious lesson from that exercise demonstrates my point. For 80% of voters, that decision is based on one of two questions. (1) Is he a Rep or a Dem, because I'm one of those and it makes a difference? (2) Which one do the pollsters say will win, because I want to vote for that one?

Those same idiocies trickle down to the major state races (governor, senator, congressman, etc.) Most of the rest of my ballot is judge retention, bond, and constitutional amendment questions. I can guarantee you based on years of observation, that all the judges will be retained, all the bond issues will pass, and most of the constitutional amendments will fail. (I vote against most of the amendments, but that is the only place my vote fits in with the sheeple.) It's not that people have made rational decisions, they just rely on paid advertising to make their decisions. After all, that's what Americans do.

I have assisted voters who bring along all their political advertising, and when we choose the candidate, they count who sent them the most stuff, and that one is the choice. It's obvious he is the one who cares most about me, right?

Sorry, unless you wish to make a minority statement with your vote, you are totally wasting your time.

As I do agree with the latter part of this statement, sadly, even stupid voters vote counts in any general election.

They don't just say at the polls.. "Oh, this one is Joe's casted ballot, let's not count it since he's stupid!"

On a certain level, every vote counts whether we like it or not. If it's from a stupid person or from someone who did their homework.

I do believe that the option some people have in some states to just strictly pick by Party should just stay home on election day. There are plenty of people who shouldn't vote, those are one of them.

The others are people who will vote based on age, race, religion and sex! If that's your deciding factor of who gets into office or not, then just stay home as well.