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Old 03-14-2017, 12:26 PM   #1
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[US-Politics] Speculation: "Donald Trump, Congress, and The Art of the Deal"


As Donald Trump settles into his Presidency and as the Congress (and the Press) begin to figure out that he probably is going to "be the President for one and perhaps two full terms," I think that I am seeing that there is likely to be something about "Donald Trump, the billionaire real-estate businessman," that neither Congress nor the Press presently expect:

"The Art of the Deal."

Throughout most of US History up to now, Presidents have either been former military officers (Generals), or professional politicians. A few, such as Dr. Woodrow Wilson, have been academics. All three of these curriculum vitae have been steeped in politics of one sort or another, and so, each President has basically sat in the White House, being "good politicians," and staying out of Congress' way until handed a bill to sign, which they usually did.

I suspect, though, that Donald Trump is going to be much more actively involved in the law-making process. Although he cannot directly participate in the law-making process, he can introduce Congress to "the Art of the Deal."

DT has used this word quite repeatedly in ordinary conversation about policies and legislation. It comes quite naturally to someone who has made billions of dollars for himself and his backers through "real-estate deals." But, it is not a word that we commonly hear from a President.

(One catch-phrase I've heard used is: "the fine art of persuading someone to do what he doesn't want to do, because he wants to do it.")

Using his power of veto (which, yes, can be overridden, although this has occurred only 110 times in 250 years), and his well-hewed powers of negotiation and of persuasion, I think that Donald Trump will be more actively in trying to guide Members of Congress to negotiate, which historically I think they're absolutely no-good at doing.

(If they'd shut up a little and follow his lead a little more, I think they'd learn something ...)

I think that Mr. Ryan (and Mr. McConnell), as the erstwhile majority-leaders of their respective Houses, are two gentlemen who are most likely to be most-confronted by an "activist President" who is also an experienced negotiator. Right now, they're using procedural rules to make the best possible use of their slender simple-majority in Congress, but that won't last long. Then, Congress will go right back to reading the Washington telephone directory to one another "fillibustering the days away."

... Unless there is a persuasive negotiator in the White House, who can persuade them to "think differently" about their jobs. To put down their phone-books and compromise. To see themselves, not as Republicans and Democrats, but Senators and Congressmen representing two viewpoints of a common national purpose.

The US Presidency has never before had an Officeholder such as this: a thoroughly successful businessman with no political experience whatsoever ... except the very politics of negotiation and deal-making which caused him and those around him to become filthy-rich. Professional politicians, military officers, and academics, although they do play the game of politics, have never negotiated in this way, nor have any of them amassed such vast sums of personal wealth in the process.

Although Wikipedia says that George Washington was our richest President at ~$500 million dollars net worth, it counts Donald's net worth at $3.7 billion dollars. That's a pretty damned successful negotiator!

(Others have been businessmen. Jimmy Carter's family has led a successful agricultural business for many generations, and because of it he is still prosperous.)

Although I did not vote for either Trump nor Clinton, I must admit that I am now quite intrigued by the President that we have just elected, and what he might do to our future perceptions of the Office and of its role in Governance. He brings to the table skills that no other President before him has had, at least not in such measure.

Might he prove to be "a transformational President?" We shall have to wait and see.

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Old 03-14-2017, 02:15 PM   #2
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Each top Republican has an " agenda " to transform these United States!! Government worker unions will be attacked; as well as all welfare programs!! New " press " laws will be enacted as well as massive punishment for disclosing what the government is doing behind closed doors!! The U.S.A. is in store for some extremely drastic changes!!

For the life of me I can not figure out why Trump now has United States troops in Syria!! I guess he wants to start a bigger war with Russia!!
 
Old 03-14-2017, 04:06 PM   #3
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I figure domestically there will be gridlock unless its something bad, then they will all agree. The usual. Trump has the whole system against him because he ran a campaign on nationalism, protectionism, and was less hawkish than Hillary. The Empire lost its mind somewhere after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

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Each top Republican has an " agenda " to transform these United States!! Government worker unions will be attacked; as well as all welfare programs!! New " press " laws will be enacted as well as massive punishment for disclosing what the government is doing behind closed doors!! The U.S.A. is in store for some extremely drastic changes!!

For the life of me I can not figure out why Trump now has United States troops in Syria!! I guess he wants to start a bigger war with Russia!!
I hope he doesn't start a war with Russia. That was one of his positive points. He understands that a "nuclear holocaust" would be bad as he told the media this year. Trump has sided with the Salafi Jihadist (just look at him giving arms to Saudi Arabia to attack Yemen with). Perhaps he plans on giving them hands on training and a sanctuary city because the Russians are kicking their butts. What was the Iraq war, occupation, and surge but a training and recruiting (fire the Iraqi military and they join Al Qaeda in Iraq) ground for Salafi Jihadist? Experience is the greatest teacher and Trump seeks to surge again with an education based on experience I suppose. Trump proposed a safe zone (keep the Syrians fleeing war in Syria) and Saudi Arabia supposedly is going to pay for it he says. The safe zones could be used for the Kurds and that would cause even more chaos in the region thanks to Turkey's response and Kurdish nationalism. At least he hasn't called for a no fly zone with a plan to shoot down Russian planes to protect Al Qaeda like Hillary did. I can't help but laugh regarding how ridiculous that is but that is what the Empire has come to. His foreign policy is not making sense concerning Muslim countries and he consolidates power via racism ("Radical Islam" is a vague rallying cry). He is basically continuing the Bush-Obama policy (which makes absolutely no sense unless you realize that the war on terror is a scam to reconfigure the Middle East like Israel and the Gulf States want it) but seems to be more Bush than Obama (who dragged his feet in Syria). He watches TV news (Fox News) so the confusion is understandable (if giving him a benefit of a doubt). Also Saudi Arabia and Israel want Iran weakened and destroyed. I know Trump buys into the so-called Iranian threat. I don't know how much a slave he is to them like his predecessors. If he sided with the Syrian government that would make Israel and Gulf States very angry with him and they have the means to punish him. If Trump doesn't stand up to Iran then the Gulf States will fund Salafi Jihadist even more (the US strangely seems unwilling or unable to stop that) and Israel will make his presidency absolutely miserable in the US. The last thing he could possibly want domestically is for groups like AIPAC to go after him. The Iran Deal was one of the biggest miracles that I know of and Trump isn't going to get the same protection as Obama from AIPAC's fury. Trump's mission is to undo it or at least fool everyone into thinking that he is going to undo it.
 
Old 03-14-2017, 04:09 PM   #4
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Dunno, "Cousin" ... that sounds a bit too "chicken little" for me.

The bad old people of the Republican Party ... (actually, people are beginning to ask, "why do we have 'political parties' anyway?") ... might have grand intentions, but the real political process does not give anyone carte blanche powers, even when their party controls >50% of both houses of Congress at the same time.

As you already know, I have massive problems with things like "WikiLeaks," and especially with the trusted government employees who are very-obviously supplying them with classified data. However, "government worker unions" can fight their own battles, and "welfare programs" are actually pretty well protected.

Likewise, I have sincere doubts that Russia actually is interested in any sort of direct war with the United States. The international chess-game that is the Middle East continues more-or-less as it has continued for several thousand years.

My hypothesis is that Donald Trump is a supreme negotiator, but that the powers-that-be in Washington, DC haven't figured that out yet. They know how to deal with a President who is basically a politician, but this man brings an entirely different set of cards to the table. He is a US President that is truly unlike any other President that this country has ever had, and he might turn out to be a great deal more "worldly" ... and, shrewd.
 
Old 03-14-2017, 07:53 PM   #5
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Not sure I understand why anyone imagines that politicians, especially at Federal level, don't already know "the art of the deal" and most importantly within the context of democratic government as opposed to autocratic business. Not every player is a Bo Jackson who can play on two different fields with two different rule sets and shine on both. In fact the difference is even greater for management than players and "the game" far more different than American football and baseball. We saw how major business execs handled even middle management government positions, as with Robert MacNamara during Vietnam, and most consider that didn't go so well, including Mr MacNamara himself.

As per the old proverb, we "live in interesting times".
 
Old 03-15-2017, 07:34 AM   #6
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Well, McNamara was a car guy – he built sedans for Ford – whereas Trump is a real-estate guy. And the thing about real-estate is that you've got two parties who have to work together: the buyer, and the seller. (You also need to know the art of dealing with the also-very rich.) If you can make billions of dollars doing that, it's not just because you're autocratic.

Like I said, it's too early to tell what this guy is actually made of. But, I find him more interesting than most of the Presidents we've had lately. Also the fact that he is the last person that "those who prosper from politics as usual" wanted.
 
  


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