Get over it mate. If you are disappointed with fedora forum, stop using it. As simple as that. It's a waste of time/bandwith to create a site complaining about something like that or to register with another forum to complain about it. Your childish crusade against ff.org will not improve your linux skills, and that's the reason why you registered with linux forums, isn't it?

Being a good member that I am, this thread is reported to General.

As for the topic, there is no (in)justice on the internet, ever, until and unless you tread on things like copyright infringement etc., but that discussion is for another day. You don't like it, don't go there. As simple as that. Nobody cares what you or I get on the net. You aren't the center of the universe nor am I.

So, lay back, grab a beer and get a heart blessing.

I am not an admin there but i do have 2,888 posts and the admins there ARE fair
and the only blabber is in the Wibble
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=16

but in all forums some threads do get side tracked from time to time .

Yes, you have the right to protest. But why waste your time and energy if nobody gives a damn sh*t?

@farslayer: Don't worry. I have no life either. On another forum I already cracked the 12k-mark.

actually
you have no rights at all
All forums belong to the forum owner who alone has the right to allow or disallow who posts, what about etc etc

A forum is essentially private property


floppy

What proportion of your life did you waste writing that website?

You got banned from an online forum. Life goes on. Get over it.

This seems appropriate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oof60kDFqAc

Yes, that site is pretty bad. The actual help with the fedora distro is lacking to non-existant, the admins have no clue what they're doing, are not informed, insightful, skilled at anything particularly relevant and they flame their false arguments from the moderator panel while claiming to want to avoid it. It seems more like the codgers are used to having their ass handed to them in political debates and want to keep that their safe little space where the mean reality is kept at bay. It is a pathetic set of individuals running that clique forum. And I think for the distro to align themselves with it actually hurts it, not helps it. Then again, it seems redhat doesn't care very much about it anymore if we look at the fedora 11 release.

I mean, just look at this guy from here:

Controversial world view? Religious? Peer-reviwed, empirical evidence is "controversial world view" and "religious" because some blogs you read and Rush Limbaugh say so? Censoring coward. Why don't you back that up with facts that aren't blog links trying to masquerade as such?

And way to go, admin/mod, in pseudo-tactfully agreeing with a person such as this, then closing the thread. That surely is how a professional site should be represented, not a net clique hangout.

And who can deny the intelligence of the insightful commentary when JN4OldFool disagrees with you and steps into a thread:

Well said, JN4OldFool, well said. This is a friend of that site. Enough said.

i beg to differ .

please post examples of the "no support" .
fedora is a TESTING destro what do you expect RHEL 5.3 . if you want stable and VERY LOW number of bugs then use rhel5 or suse or BSD

Why? You think every question gets solved there? That doesn't happen in any help forum. Furthermore, I'll use myself as an example and say that I got more help from the fedoraproject wiki and google searches than ever on the fedoraforum forum. If that means nothing, so be it.

I know what fedora is. The thing is, by people repeating this mantra they're basically saying that fedora should be ignored and nobody should use it. "Listen up, nobody use this thing, don't bother with it, it's a useless toy." No, I've used fedora for years, and my point is that I've seen an apparent increase in it being a testing pot to throw new things in, but not being actually usable. It has had strong releases in the past. If you look for reviews, you find an overwhelming number of bad reviews about the bugs in 11. I also find some typical attitudes to be a big turn off, demonstrably spearheaded by many people on that forum; the attitude on distros like ubuntu, to look down on it, then turn around when the fedora distro itself models its own form of release after it in fedora live, which was the default homepage selection to download fedora 11 and probably the better choice over the dvd. Sites like that don't actually contribute much if anything to the distro. Funny thing is I remember some there complaining about the fedora irc channel on freenode server, but then they end up being the same. Lastly, I would never use MS suse, and BSD is only stable because it does very little outside of serving data. I may be reluctantly moving to ubuntu.

I would agree that FF has gone downhill over the last couple of years (maybe started about the time F8 was released). Prior to then I think it was far and away the best resource that a Fedora user had.

I would not agree that RH no longer cares about Fedora. In fact they have more paid(by RH) programmers working on Fedora now than ever before. You have to back up in history to understand a lot of what is going on with Fedora. About half way through the development cycle of FC6 RH took a MAJOR step back (or was pushed depending on your point of view) in the control of Fedora. FC6 was a "normal" release. Now for F7 the community was in virtually complete control and they did a MAJOR under the hood overhaul of Fedora(which needed to be done). However they lacked the discipline (that RH used to provide) to clean up all the mess that the overhaul had created. To be fair a mess of this magnitude was to be expected, considering all the changes that were made in F7. A huge number of multi version bugs were initiated in F7 (and by the quick fixes used to "get by" in F7-forward) many of these bugs still exist. A few months ago when RH tried to pressure Fedora about the backlog, instead of actually working on the bugs, they tried to close all the old bugs (even when they still existed in the current release) to make it look like the backlog had been cleared up. Now the reason that RH hired all the new programmers is that RHEL6 was scheduled to be based on F9, just as RHEL4 was on FC3 and RHEL5 was on FC6, but there were WAY too many bugs. When F10 was released the situation was pretty much the same, thus all the new programmers. From my point of view F11 is a huge step forward (bug wise) when compared to F9 or F10. Unfortunately it is starting to look like there may still be too many issues with F11 and RHEL6 may be pushed back to F12(or 13 etc).

Now at about the same time as F7 was being released Fedora also decided to drop long term support. This meant that any one version was now only supported for 13 months. Prior to this, maintenance support had been maintained for all versions. This turned out to actually be a pretty good decision for both Fedora and RHEL. In dropping the long term support the Fedora community freed up a lot of personnel. A significant portion of those that had been using Fedora via its long term support switched to Centos (as well as scientific, white box, etc). All these are just basically RHEL with the logos stripped out. This makes the transition to RHEL from Centos (etc) virtually seamless(as small companies grow they tend to need the insurance of a paid support version), which is very good for RH.

Duly noted.

Closing dis. Not nice to bitch and moan about another forum. We wouldn't appreciate it if they did it to us and we shouldn't do it here. If anyone has an issue with another forum they shoudl take it up with the admins there because there's nothing we can do about it.