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Old 08-17-2010, 10:50 PM   #1
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Wireless Problems After Update


I have successfully installed Fedora13 on my laptop. I was also able to log on to my home and several other wireless networks by clicking on an icon on the upper panel. I switched from a wired mouse to a wireless mouse and the icon disappeared. I am now unable to log onto any wireless networks nor can I find the icon that I used previously. Did plugging in the wireless mouse cause my problem? I have removed the wireless mouse and re-booted several times with the old wired mouse without success. Is there any way that I can reinstall the old icon? What program does it call?
Thank you for your help!
 
Old 08-18-2010, 05:47 AM   #2
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no the mouse did not do that
With a qualifier did you use the same usb slot for both at some time ?
i take it is a standard usb wireless

every now and them there is a program crash and short cut icons can be auto deleted because of the crash
with fedora this dose happen fairly often
there is the gui tool in system / administration
and always the terminal

also seeing as it is a wireless connection are you using the "network manager " ( auto detect the wireless / wired / vpn connection
or the other installed service "network" a more basic tool .
see
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-services-f13.html
 
Old 08-18-2010, 08:24 AM   #3
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to get back the little icon in your panel, press Alt-F2 to open up a run dialog, then enter
Code:
nm-applet
in the box and press the Ok button
 
Old 08-19-2010, 03:56 PM   #4
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I tried Rock Doctor's suggestion but got a "command not found" message.
John,I did put the wireless usb into the same socket that I had preciously used for the wired mouse. I don't know which network controller I was using. The icon consisted of 2 overlapping computer screens. When I clicked it, two little balls would circle each other for a few seconds and would then produce a set of strength bars. Initially, I had gotten a window with several tabs on which I had selected 'wireless' and 'auto'. The computer had been in 'suspend' mode when I logged back in with the new mouse. The computer gave me an unitelligible (to me) error message and asked if I wanted to report it. I clicked 'Yes' and the screen went blank for an instant and the returned. When I clicked on Fire fox, all of my tabs had 'Server not found' messages. I had my panels 'hidden' and when I pulled them down, I found that the icon had disappeared.
 
Old 08-19-2010, 04:42 PM   #5
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well fedora is one of THE HARDEST and MOST difficult operating systems for very new users to use

it is not surprising you are having some problems

fedora has two 2 tools for network from what you described it sounds like "network manager"


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The computer had been in 'suspend' mode when I logged back in with the new mouse
ahaa that is it .
'suspend' on fedora is a very very very early TESTING ONLY program and DOSE NOT WORK YET, and mostly never has to date

now keep in mind that fedora is a TESTING ,and Research & Development , and very fast development operating system.
And as such is VERY unstable
It also REQUIRES a VERY VERY strong desire on YOUR part to LEARN .

so if you want to stay with fedora it will seam that you are taking a collage 401 class while SKIPPING the 101,201,and 301 courses . This can be done but will require a LOT of effort on your part

---------- or ---------------
use a opperating system that is geared more for the new linux user
Mint, Ubuntu, are two good choices


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I tried Rock Doctor's suggestion but got a "command not found" message.
i take it you did not run the command as root ???
a normal user in fedora DOSE NOT HAVE ACCESS to the folder it is in /bin
try this
Code:
su -
####### your root password when asked #############
nm-connection-editor
--- or run ---
nm-applet
this is also in the Gnome gui
at the top of the screen
System / administration /network ??? i think ( at the moment i am not using fedora )

Last edited by John VV; 08-19-2010 at 04:43 PM.
 
Old 08-20-2010, 06:17 PM   #6
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a normal user in fedora DOSE NOT HAVE ACCESS to the folder it is in /bin
John, you're confusing poor canious 17 needlesly

nm-applet is provided by NetworkManager-gnome, and is located in /usr/bin. It is executable by a normal user. NetworkManager-gnome is part of the default Fedora installation. If nm-applet can't be found, then NetworkManager-gnome is borked.

Ubuntu and its derivatives also use NetworkManager by default; they refer to it as network-manager. In those distros, /usr/bin/nm-applet is provided by network-manager-gnome.

As for problems with NetworkManager in Fedora and Ubuntu (the two distros with which I have the most experience), I'll note the following: NetworkManager usually just works in both Fedora and Ubuntu. At home, I never seem to have a problem with either distro. On the road, using my netbook (which has current versions of both distros installed), sometimes one will work whereas the other will not. Neither distro has a clear advantage over the other. Sometimes neither one will work.

When NetworkManager doesn't work, it's time to revert to tried and true network (known as networking in Ubuntu). Here, the Fedora gui sucks - it doesn't even display my wireless device. Not sure about Ubuntu. I just open a terminal window, and as root do the following
1. Shut down NetworkManager:
/etc/init.d/NetworkManager stop
2. Start network:
/etc/init.d/network start
3. Point my wireless device to the appropriate network:
iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid of the network>

4. Bring up the wireless interface:
dhclient wlan0

Bottom line: if distro X doesn't work for you and distro Y does, by all means use distro Y.
 
Old 08-21-2010, 04:27 AM   #7
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It is most likely that after suspend wireless card was not recognized. On my CentOS 5.5 installation I have both "network" and "NetworkManager" services installed. Neither alone or in combination is able to activate wireless after suspend/hibernate. It's MSI VR601x notebook.

In my case, Atheros madwifi driver creates wifi0 interface in charge of wireless communication itself and ath0 interface for actual network communication. Since wifi0 always appear inactive, it is not restarted after suspend/hibernate.

What I ended up doing is to, as root, (first disable NetworkManager - specific to my situation and) run command for changing "network" profiles first to only LAN connection, and then again change to only wireless connection. Both profiles have only one interfaces enabled so I do not end up with both connections active in some cases.

When "network" service changes to wireless profile, wireless card/driver are reset and activated and both "network" and "NetworkManager" services work again.

I have Laucher (Application in terminal) with command
Code:
su - -c restartnetwork
and restartnetwork script looks like this:

Code:
system-config-network-cmd -p LANOffice -a
system-config-network-cmd -p WifiOffice -a
For those with Ubuntu, you should look here:
http://www.theoldmonk.net/blog/archi...les_in_ubuntu/

I symlinked restartnetwork script to /usr/local/bin so I do not have to use whole path to script.
 
Old 08-24-2010, 10:40 PM   #8
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Since this is a relatively new install and I didn't have anything that I wanted to save, I decided to re-install. I got the icon back on the panel and was able to reconnect to my wireless Internet. I down-loaded the updates that were available and about 15 minutes later while I was selecting some apps to down-load, I lost the icon again. I repeated the install again with essentially the same results. So, I think I am going to give up on Fedora. Do you know anything about Mandriva?? I had a Mandrake installation that ran on an old computer (pre-wifi) for a year and a half without re-booting.
Thank you both for your help, I sincerely appreciate it!!! It's nice to know that there are people out there that are willing to help and I'm glad I found this site.
 
Old 08-25-2010, 08:59 AM   #9
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Running Ferdora 14 and Rawhide, I've had to stay with NetworkManager-0.8.1-1; later versions (up through NetworkManager-0.8.1-5) don't want to work properly for me.

Last time I had Mandriva installed (earlier this summer), everything seemed to work just fine.
 
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