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Old 06-20-2012, 10:06 AM   #1
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Unhappy Installing Fedora 16 from USB memory stick


Hello

I have Fedora 12 on a PC, dual boot with XP3 -- which (XP3) has crashed, so I am using Linux exclusively now until I get it fixed. I can access my Windows files ok, so I have no loss of functionality.

I want to upgrade to Fedora 16, so I have backed up my /home directory to an external hard drive, downloaded and verified "Fedora-16-i386-DVD.iso" and copied it to an 8GB USB memory stick using "dd if=/home/Harry/Downloads/Fedora-16-i386-DVD/Fedora-16-i386-DVD.iso of=/dev/sdc1", but now I am lost. The help I can find on the 'net is conflicting and confusing, assuming too much in-depth previous knowledge; and all the instructions seem to refer to a "Live" image to start from, but I want to do the full installation.

Have I done the right things so far? I would very much appreciate simple instructions on how to proceed, or a pointer to appropriate and relevant existing help.

Thank you

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Old 06-20-2012, 12:21 PM   #2
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Hi!

First, why don't you install new F17 instead of F16? (only a suggestion).

Ok, now, I haven't used dd method, but you can see a detailed description of other two methods in fedoraproject.org: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to...d_use_Live_USB

It's a step-by-step guide, so you don't need deep knowledge, but some basics.

These two methods are "Fedora LiveUSB Creator" (graphical), and "livecd-iso-to-disk" (command-line).

I've tried both, but for me, only the second one ("livecd-iso-to-disk") works fine with live and non-live images, so it's the one I recommend and use.

Good luck and be careful.

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Old 06-20-2012, 07:29 PM   #3
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going from fedora 12 to 17
not possible using upgrade
do a fresh install after reformatting the drive ( or the linux partition )
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so I have backed up my /home directory
do not even bother
non of the old gnome2 settings in 12 will work on Gnome3 in fedora 17

only save your data ( photos,documents, music,... )
even the old firefox3 bookmarks in fedora 12 will not work well in firefox12 or 13 in fedora 17
you can try and import the old html text file into the new json db file , but it will not import well .
 
Old 06-20-2012, 07:50 PM   #4
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copied it to an 8GB USB memory stick using "dd if=/home/Harry/Downloads/Fedora-16-i386-DVD/Fedora-16-i386-DVD.iso of=/dev/sdc1"
As far as I know it should be
dd if=/home/Harry/Downloads/Fedora-16-i386-DVD/Fedora-16-i386-DVD.iso of=/dev/sdc
without "1" at the end

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Old 06-21-2012, 10:21 AM   #5
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Thank you all for very useful replies

1) I seem to have downloaded Fedora 16 ok, I have Fedora-16-i386-DVD.iso verified. I tried to download Fedora 17 but got (I have since deleted it) something similar but with .Part at the end. Both took four hours each to download, using bittorrent, then I saw the warnings about "leechers", left it on "seeding" for about eight hours but there was no upload, my ratio an unsocial zero, so I decided to abandon bitttorrent and stick with 16.

2) I am going round in circles trying to use LiveUSB Creator, the latest message is:

Fedora-16-i386-DVD.iso selected
Warning: The Master Boot Record on your device does not match your system's syslinux MBR. If you have trouble booting this stick, try running the liveusb-creator with the --reset-mbr option.
Unsupported filesystem: iso9660

I have previously tried several times to sort the USB drive out, last one was something like:
mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdc1
fdisk /dev/sdc
mkdir /media/sub
mount /dev/sdc1 /media/usb

3) by the way liveusb-creator doesn't list later tan Fedora 13 as possible downloads.

So I am lost, it's a long earning curve, especially if you (I) don't know where you are heading.

So many confusingly different ways to go about it all, so, please, any straightforward guidance will be gratefully appreciated.

OT but it reminds me of the lad teaching himself to drive, phoned his mum "I've pressed the right pedal mum, engine's making an awfully loud noise, what do I do next?"
 
Old 06-21-2012, 04:07 PM   #6
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Are you booting to the Fedora live cd to run the installer?

From the live usb creator site.
"2012-06-12 :: v3.11.7

Support downloading Fedora 17 and the latest Sugar on a Stick releases
Fixed the automatic download locations
Fixed a unicode bug with certain device labels "

https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/

Can use the network gpxe to install or upgrade.

I'd be more tempted to do a version by version update until you get current. Or as in the past a clean install.
 
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:22 PM   #7
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something similar but with .Part at the end.
you might want to do a bit of reading and learn how firefox and internet explorer and safari or opera save files
a " .part" is well just that PART OF THE FILE AS IT IS DOWNLOADING -- it was NOT done downloading .

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Both took four hours each to download, using bittorrent, then I saw the warnings about "leechers"for about eight hours but there was no upload, my ratio an unsocial zero,
4 h that is not bad
--- then I saw the warnings about "leechers",----


you might want to learn how to use a torrent client
( as in read the " how to use" documentation on that programs web site)

it is the same on linux,windows, and mac
You ARE SUPPOSE TO SEE "leechers" that is VERY NORMAL
Also so is the 0 seeding ratio for a old torrent that has a LARGE number of seeders

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I have previously tried several times to sort the USB drive out, last one was something like:
mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdc1
fdisk /dev/sdc
mkdir /media/sub
mount /dev/sdc1 /media/usb
you can not install a linux OS on a fat partition ( mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdc1)
won't work ,FAT dose not support file permissions
nor can you put a 4.6 gig image on to a fat format it WILL NOT fit you will ONLY be able to put 4 gig ( minus one bit) of that 4.6 gig dvd
it can not be done

the fedora installer WILL want to reformat that to "ext4 "( fedora's default drive format )


why not just burn the dvd image to, say ,a DVD .
and install it .

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Old 06-22-2012, 06:26 AM   #8
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Thumbs up Taking the easy way out

Thanks again to all for the time and trouble taken to reply to my pleas for help. I would have liked to pursue this to a successful download and install from my USB drive, but I have (half) taken VV's last point and ordered a DVD with Fedora 17 on it. I have learned a lot from your helpful suggestions, and I hope you do not feel you have wasted your time. I would like to learn all these things but, for me, time is running out -- I am 81 years old, and mostly engaged in delaying the inevitable as long as possible.

Thanks again, best regards, Harry
 
  


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