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Old 11-05-2003, 08:33 PM   #16
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the logo and source of Fedora name


Quote:
Originally posted by frieza
a fedora IS a hat...redhat's logo has always been a man wearing a red fedora, hence the spinoff name fedora for their GPL version..
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Yes, Shadowman is the RH logo. As to Fedora for the spinoff, actually it came from the Fedora Project which proposed the merger to RedHat.

RH wanted to turn RHL into RHEL and a community oriented project. The people at Fedora ( www.fedora.us ) went to RH saying "We've done all the infrastructure you are going to need" and proposed the merger. Hence the name.
 
Old 11-05-2003, 08:40 PM   #17
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Originally posted by tcaptain
I agree that a strong Red Hat would benefit linux...but I have to wonder about THIS article:

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5101690.html

Especially when deciding to leave the home market....to me, that's a cheap shot and a low-blow to other linux companies who DO have some focus on the desktop market. To me this read as a parting blow of FUD just to muddy the waters because someone's sore THEY didn't make money on the desktop.

I don't want to start a flamewar on whether linux is ready for the desktop..for some, it may not be, for me, I feel that it more than IS....but statements like in the article above, taken in the context of RH's decision really makes me think they bite the big one...know what I mean?
Actually I was taken aback by the comment until I read the context. He's right. Aspirations are great, but the traditional consumer expects to be able to go down to Compusa, buy something and plug and pray. It's not Linux' fault that many of those thigns don't have Linux support, but it nonetheless is an issue. Further, Joe User can't just go down and buy all sorts fo software for Linux from the local store. Sure, most carry StarOffice, but little else.

Taken in context, the remark is accurate. My house runs Linux solely, even my non-technical wife runs it. But Joe User who doesn't have someone there who is a Linux person ... not yet.
 
Old 11-06-2003, 09:49 AM   #18
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Quote:
Originally posted by ucntcme
Further, Joe User can't just go down and buy all sorts fo software for Linux from the local store. Sure, most carry StarOffice, but little else.

Taken in context, the remark is accurate. My house runs Linux solely, even my non-technical wife runs it. But Joe User who doesn't have someone there who is a Linux person ... not yet.
Well I disagree SOMEWHAT...as I said, that argument isn't for this thread really (my thought is that linux isn't ready for people who DON'T want to learn...I hope linux never goes all the way to click n' drool...but I can sort of see your point SOMEWHAT...anyway)...

My point is that context or not, the statement was essentially flamebait...I mean its basically a "sore loser" kind of comment that companies like Microsoft will just jump on to continue their FUD and that's what peeved me about it. That's how it came across to me anyway....

I mean here's a company who failed to make money on the desktop market...decides to leave it...the immediately tells desktop users "there's nothing for you here in linux...go use windows...linux isn't ready" (I'm paraphrasing)...immediately shafting the other companies that ARE still in that arena, not to mention insulting the multitudes of people who ARE using linux on the desktop more than they ever used windows.

So while we CAN argue whether Linux is ready for the desktop or not (and I'm sure there are many threads already in existance that would be more appropriate for this than here)...what I'm saying is that whether or not RH's statement that is isn't is true....the utterance of that statement makes them sound very childish, essentially baiting linux users I think and supplying FUD to the people who WANT linux to stay marginal.
 
Old 11-07-2003, 02:15 PM   #19
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Agreed.
Red Hat is perfectly justified in focusing on the enterprise, and saying that joe user shouldn't use Red Hat.

But he shouldn't have endorsed Windows.

My sister and parents have a computer that is running Mandrake 9.1, and they are perfectly happy with it. They just surf the 'Net and play solitaire-type games on it. Although my parents' friends had trouble understanding why they couldn't load their CD with 100 different versions of Mahjongg on it onto the computer (although I'm sure they would run fine with Wine), they are faring well enough with Mandrake. Oh, and we couldn't connect with the same friend's AOL account.

They fare well enough to save $150 on M$ products.
 
Old 11-07-2003, 05:02 PM   #20
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hmm.

Redhat are now charging for Linux when they said it was free. ..
I wish I had known this change was going to happen before.
I see the scam now....make people dependant on your free offerring and then charge them for it when they rely on it without them knowing from the begginning that this was going to happen..
This is a good one. You Americans are very clever aren't you. Perhaps Google will be doing the same now.
Well done Redhat. Sorry was that redhat I think we mean BLUE HAT.
Excuse me while I vommit. Just feel a little Nausia..not sure why...
By the way I patented fresh air 20 years ago....before you guys pollute the world with the foul stench of your business practice. Come on ..cough up..
Oooops the truth ...quick catch it and put it back in the bag.

Not a happy penguin
 
Old 11-07-2003, 07:35 PM   #21
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Couldn't Red Hat's plan be to put pressure on the business market against Microsoft...think about it, business large and small using RH, and their employees seeing first hand how Linux is more stable, and has the same options (minus the bells and whistles) that Microsoft offers - and the corporations saving $$$ in operating costs. Employees comfortable at work with RH, going home and learning more about the different "flavors" of Linux, and actually purchasing or downloading Linux to use at home. This may be a way to "win the hearts and minds" of people that are not familiar with Linux, and eventually pressuring Microsoft to wither clean up its products or lose market share.

Just my $0.02...
 
Old 11-07-2003, 08:46 PM   #22
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Quote:
Originally posted by wright_pm
hmm.

Redhat are now charging for Linux when they said it was free. ..
I wish I had known this change was going to happen before.
I see the scam now....make people dependant on your free offerring and then charge them for it when they rely on it without them knowing from the begginning that this was going to happen..
This is a good one. You Americans are very clever aren't you. Perhaps Google will be doing the same now.
Well done Redhat. Sorry was that redhat I think we mean BLUE HAT.
Excuse me while I vommit. Just feel a little Nausia..not sure why...
By the way I patented fresh air 20 years ago....before you guys pollute the world with the foul stench of your business practice. Come on ..cough up..
Oooops the truth ...quick catch it and put it back in the bag.

Not a happy penguin
Fedora is RED HAT... but it is only free and is less "stable" but it seems, acts, looks, feels just like RH10 would have... if you really need the service support then buy RHEL WS for $199.00 it is still less than XP Professional or 2003 Server...

Last edited by lupin_the_3rd; 11-07-2003 at 09:05 PM.
 
Old 11-08-2003, 12:29 AM   #23
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Lupin if your'e building boxes and buying right XP Pro is less than 199.00. RH's annual subscription was more than the purchase price of XP Pro over the years that it will be supported by free updates.

Having said that , I am downloading my general release version of core1 right now. Even though there is hardware on my laptop and desktops that is not supported I'm taking the time to learn this Linux stuff using RH. Fist 8 then 9 now Fedora.

RH's right, buy Windows if you use a desktop. Everything on it will work. In order to click and drool you will be obliged to find a computer that actually comes out of the box with Linux installed.

Earlier this year while visiting with a Dell type who was back in Austin for a few weeks from China, I asked him about the support for Linux and found his response amusing. He said, " Oh, those who order equipment with Linux don't call for support because they know what they are doing."

If RH is taking Linux to those who pay big bucks for the same hardware that any enthusiast can put together then maybe we'll finally get support for hardware that is newer than three years old. Like my Centrino laptop or the ICH5R that is on this workstation or the video editing station that is right next to me. Maybe I'm just too hopeful.

The only computer that I ever bought whole was in 93 (excepting a recent laptop). It struck me as odd then and now that hardware manufacturers are willing to have a third party in control of whether their equipment will work in an environment. Maybe if there is serious support for Linux in the business environment then hardware vendors will feel comfortable making drivers of their own if they are not compelled to release enough info for open sourced drivers.
 
Old 11-08-2003, 03:23 AM   #24
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I agree with you... I just think that if you need the "expert" support for systems then RHEL is probably a better deal in the terms of support (I can assume that RH support is at least more personal than MS's), stability, etc... and we the Home users have Fedora Core... but I'm with you... other than my recent Dell 8500 (now discontinued... go figure) I will not be buying assembled systems anymore... I'm going to attempt to build my first after Christmas... so hopefully I can say bye bye to those third party non-linux developers.
 
Old 11-08-2003, 09:42 PM   #25
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When you go to build a system look at pricewatch.com
It will help you find good deals. I have had good experiences with Newegg, Monarch(they build Linux Boxes), Jazz Technology and Thompson's Computer Warehouse. My experience isn't extensive, I'm just a hobbiest so far, but they've all treated me well and at times had the best prices to boot.
 
Old 11-10-2003, 05:05 AM   #26
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Quote:
Originally posted by wright_pm
hmm.

Redhat are now charging for Linux when they said it was free. ..
I wish I had known this change was going to happen before.
I see the scam now....make people dependant on your free offerring and then charge them for it when they rely on it without them knowing from the begginning that this was going to happen..
This is a good one. You Americans are very clever aren't you. Perhaps Google will be doing the same now.
Well done Redhat. Sorry was that redhat I think we mean BLUE HAT.
Excuse me while I vommit. Just feel a little Nausia..not sure why...
By the way I patented fresh air 20 years ago....before you guys pollute the world with the foul stench of your business practice. Come on ..cough up..
Oooops the truth ...quick catch it and put it back in the bag.

Not a happy penguin
RedHat has always charged for their distrobution, as have many others, Mandrake, Suse.....

What makes you think this is a new thing LMAO?

You can still get redhat for the desktop for free, it's called "fedora" there are so many mirrors for it at redhats http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html that it aint to hard to find a fast one.

I've been "paying" for my distro's for a very long time in an effort to support them. My gripe would be that I can't go to Comp USA and "pay" for it.

Last edited by BruceCadieux; 11-10-2003 at 05:07 AM.
 
  


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