vim-common and vim-minimal conflicts Fedora19
I recently installed Fedora 19. The version of vim that came with the install comes from the vim-minimal package which does not have syntax/coloring support, among other features.
I tried to install vim-enhanced, but one of its dependencies, vim-common, conflicts with vim-minimal (over a man page file):
I thought this would be a common problem, but I couldn't find much searching around.
This person ran into the conflict about a year ago, so it isn't new. No mention of sudo in that thread.
i would start with setting "yum-priorities" so that the "koji" repo is a lower priority
and dose not replace fedora updates installed rpm's
if yum-priorities is not installed INSTALL IT and configure it !
this plugin is needed with "third party repos" do to the very well documented issues with third party repos
Thanks for the reply. I have never set priorities before, I didn't know it was something I could configure. For others reading this, the package is called yum-plugin-priorities, at least in Fedora 19.
I've installed the plugin, but then when I went to /etc/yum.repos.d, I was expecting to find something with kojo in the name. However, there was no such repository file:
Getting back to the original question though, I don't think it is just a matter of repositories. I have found a couple threads on the topic on the fedora forums. This was a recent discussion, which also contains one work-around (install sudo, then remove vim-minimal, but skip removing dependencies).
I don't know enough about the visudo requirements at this point, but my current understanding is that at compile time, a list of one or more allowable editors is passed in. The default behavior of visudo is to only check for those default(s) (the man page more fully describes the bahavior). "vi" (as installed by the vim-minimal package is the typical default. Whether other editors are also passed in at compile time (such as "vim"), I do not know. Alternatively, visudo can be built with a flag that would allow it to respect the EDITOR or VISUAL environment variables. Whether visudo as packed by Fedora was built that way, I do not know.
It still seems silly to me to have a hard requirement on vim-minimal. I'm still formulating my thoughts because I might try to open a bug report if I can put together a convincing enough argument. Here's what I've got so far:
- By default, the system comes with vi and sudo. In this state, visudo will work as expected.
- sudo is generally useful, and losing the ability to use visudo is not, in my opinion, catastrophic
- A user would have to make a deliberate decision to uninstall vim-minimal. If such a deliberate decision is made, would it be unacceptable to lose the ability to use visudo?
- I have a hypothesis that the majority of users making a deliberate decision to remove vim-minimal are doing such so that they can install vim-enhanced (why else would you actively uninstall an editor?)
- From the thread I linked to above, it seems visudo works with vim (the author of the post didn't mention having to set any environment variables, so it seems visudo may have been compiled to check for vim specifically)
- Losing sudo entirely seems more detrimental to system administration that losing the ability to run visudo
For these reasons, I don't think the current dependency situation is ideal. Maybe the dependency should just be removed. Again - in its default state, the system will work. For visudo to (potentially) stop working, a user would have to take the deliberate action of removing vim-minimal. In this case, remove a basic editor at your own risk.
Additionally, I wonder if creating a symlink vi -> vim would work with visudo?
There is some tinkering I can do to answer some of these questions. But as of now, these are my thoughts on the issue. I mostly use my machine for development, and make heavy use of vim, especially for python and html editing. I really like having the syntax/coloring support. I run Fedora on my personal computers, only have a single user on them, and before yesterday, have never used or heard of (or had a reason for using) visudo. I understand its usefulness and a desire not to provide sudo without a proper means for configuring it, but my reasons for disagreeing are above.
I'm curious what others think.
I'm not sure that I understand everything you have explained, but here are my installed vi and sudo programs:
and it all works.
Hi jason_m for one running "ls" on the yum.d folder dose not tell us much
for example :
"rpmfusion-free-rawhide.repo" are disabled by DEFAULT
that is unless you turned them on
a much better command to run is this
if you are wondering the "rawhide" should not even be in there
"rawhide" is the NEXT version of fedora right now that is 'Fedora 20' ALPHA testing ONLY
and "fedora-updates-testing.repo " is beta testing of the new rpm's about to be placed in the official "updates"
they WILL and do cause conflicts
that should be disabled
as to "yum"
you might want to start with the documentation
see section # 5
and a good doc for that plugin is the CentOS / RHEL
for a new user a very good guid / help page is Mjmwired's
and of course the FedoraForum.org
After my last post, I noticed that the vim packages are all now up to version 7.4.0, whereas in my original post, you can see that the other day I was working with 7.3.X. I just did a 'yum install vim-minimal' and it worked! So it seems to me like this issue was _just_ resolved.
You can see from my original post that there was a conflict, and there is a bug report about this conflict going all the way back to 2005 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=164982). Just seems to be a case of excellent timing. My issue appears resolved
John VV, I'll take a look at the links you provided. Admittedly, I'm not very familiar with yum. I'm a recent convert from debian/ubuntu systems (in fact, I'm typing this reply from an ubuntu system.) And I was no expert with apt either. I can install, show/info, and remove. Outside of that I just hope for the best - all the rest falls on the repo maintainers, right :)
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