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Old 07-18-2009, 05:18 PM   #1
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My first Fedora Post: A few usb persistency questions?


Alright, so I finally downloaded Fedora 11, just the Live cd iso
with Gnome.
OK, so dreading burning it to cd, as I've seen many psots here
where fed11 fails to boot due to video issues, etc
I have a old nVidia Geforce mx4000

anyway, everything worked Great!
cd burning via k3b at 8x, slow
and to cd-r

ok, so booted up and at desktop I
opened pkg manager and installed
liveusb-creator

inserted my 4gb ext3 stick and let it roll
( I thought it would just install from the cd to the usb
but it wanted the iso, so I had to mount the partition holding it and do it that way)

I did'n't know it would not make a grub folder
it made a extlinux.conf and a syslinux folder

anyway, I converted the extlinux.conf, which is really just a syslinux.cfg,
into a menu.lst

Code:
label linux0
  menu label Boot
  kernel vmlinuz0
  append initrd=initrd0.img root=UUID=45674521-df38-44d1-8f8d-ec264870efbe rootfstype=ext3 rw liveimg overlay=UUID=45674521-df38-44d1-8f8d-ec264870efbe quiet  rhgb
menu.lst for my usb

Code:
title Fedora 11 Live
root (hd0,0)
  kernel /syslinux/vmlinuz0 root=UUID=45674521-df38-44d1-8f8d-ec264870efbe rootfstype=ext3 rw liveimg overlay=UUID=45674521-df38-44d1-8f8d-ec264870efbe quiet  rhgb 
  initrd /syslinux/initrd0.img
so, I only made a 275mb casper-rw(NO, what's the persistence file in fed 11 called?)

anyway, that's small
So, here are my present questions:

1) After rebooting fed11 wants to install 230 updates!
will that fill up the persistence file (275mb)?

2) What is the recommended size for a casper-rw for fed11?
If possible, I want to uninstall like cups, etc

3) How to become root in fedora 11?

4) How to get flash10?

thanks and any helpful tips are much appreciated
thanks
 
Old 07-18-2009, 07:28 PM   #2
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I've always been lazy with the USB sticks, just using unetbootin to put the CD on a USB.
Your other questions. Fedora has joined "Let's put in training wheels" family, sad to say, and it's disabled by default if you take the default installation that boots into a GUI and uses Gnome. In F10 it can be fixed by editing a line somewhere, the info is all over the Fedora forum. I'm not sure about F11, it's probably in the release notes, Rahul works very very hard to make them useful.

The canonical (as in the accepted, no reference to the Ubuntu people) way to do it is to open a gnome-terminal once logged in, and do an su - (note the space and dash), then type in root's password. You can also leave the GUI with ctl+alt+F2-Fsomething. (F1 is now for the GUI--it used to be that F1-F6 were console and F7 was the GUI.)

Once out of the GUI you can log in as root. You can also set the machine to boot into textmode by editing /etc/inittab, but the majority of people seem to want to boot into a GUI these days. <shrug>.

The mjmwired.net site has many useful tutorials about Fedora, including multimedia. There are various articles on the Fedora project page about using flash, but if it's 64 bit, Leigh at Fedora Forums has a 64 bit rpm that is the easiest to use.


http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=205642

If using 32 bit, then the mjmwired site should have it somewhere. It's pretty easy, you can either download the Adobe tarball and just copy it in /usr/lib/mozilla/firefox/plugins or use their (Adobe's) repo to install it with yum.

Unfortunately, I can't help with the USB stuff, as work is basically CentOS and Fedora, I don't put them on USBs, I install them to hard drive. Fedora forums probably have many posts about it though.

Hope this helps a bit though.
 
Old 07-18-2009, 07:37 PM   #3
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thanks for answering
it's actually running great from usb
I uninstalled cups, etc
and haven't tried to update yet
probably gonna make a bigger casper-rw

it says fed11 live has xfce but at login screen it's not available
how do I get xfce going??
 
Old 07-18-2009, 08:26 PM   #4
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OK, I just installed flash10 from adobe, using the rpm
the link you gave me was helpful
but their yum get stuff just said 404 error
so I went to adobe and it worked!

Now I'm installing xfce+xtra's
and will TRY to uninstall Gnome...if it works
usually in ubuntu if you try to uninstall gnome it wants to uninstall everything

did you guy's know there was a lxde spin
( http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Syste...in-35192.shtml )

ain't no lxde spin at fedora that I saw...??

I'm gonna try it after playing with gnome/xfce

any good hints on fedora 11 guys??
thanks
 
Old 07-18-2009, 09:41 PM   #5
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The LXDE spin is mentioned on the forums, it's by Rahul, I think, one of the main developers who respects the users.

Yes, like Ubuntu, uninstalling Gnome will try to uninstall everything--most of what I call the Ubundora distros are like that--like MS and Apple, they try to tie the system to the desktop, but that's a rant for another time.

Some of the dependencies are quite odd, but in a peculiar way, will make sense, for example, X needs Y, which requires a library from A, so if you uninstall X, you wind up uninstalling A. For example, uninstalling wireless tools uninstalled almost all of the KDE stuff.

What I do with a Fedora installation is to just take the first CD, and during select packages, uncheck everything, including base system. For example, F11, even if you uncheck everything but base, will still install KDE because in base, there's polkit, which now requires either Gnome or KDE, and KDE is apparently shorter. (I am not sure how it works, it's not alphabetical, obviously.)

F11, IMHO, has actually started off better than F10 in many ways. I have it on my workstation at work, and it's given me fewer problems than 10 did.
 
Old 07-19-2009, 07:43 AM   #6
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Thanks for that info scottro11

I have done the debian/ubuntu minimal thing before, so fed is maybe the same.

However, I'm trying to run from ext3 4gb usb, and so I can't even update the bugger
cause I made a bigger 360mb casper-rw and the updates want a minimum of 900MB!

so, no updates

But, can I use the livecd-tools, etc to make a custom spin right?
How to remove cups, etc though without removing lxde?

thanks
 
Old 07-20-2009, 08:29 AM   #7
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Well, to remove something without removing something else, there's the rpm -e --nodeps option, e.g., rpm -e --nodeps cups.
 
Old 07-22-2009, 10:07 PM   #8
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Thanks for that info scottro11

I have done the debian/ubuntu minimal thing before, so fed is maybe the same.

However, I'm trying to run from ext3 4gb usb, and so I can't even update the bugger
cause I made a bigger 360mb casper-rw and the updates want a minimum of 900MB!

so, no updates

But, can I use the livecd-tools, etc to make a custom spin right?
How to remove cups, etc though without removing lxde?

thanks
You can use livecd-tools and edit the .ks file to add/delete packages. You can also use rpmfusion .ks files to create custom images with "extras" from their repo. Fedora has the ability to create an encrypted/unencrypted persistent home that will remain even if you reinstall and also your "casper" I believe is called the "persistent overlay" in Fedora.

I have made quite a few LiveUSBs with Gnome,KDE, LXDE etc and forgot to mention that you can use generic branding in lieu of Fedoras if you are using packages of a dubious nature for redistribution.

I hardly ever write live images to cdr's just usb and they are installable. Have used Liveusb-creator and Unetbootin to write the images to usb in Windows to see how and if they worked but usually use "livecd-iso-to-disk" from a terminal in Fedora.

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Old 07-22-2009, 10:20 PM   #9
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Hmmmm...
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but usually use "livecd-iso-to-disk" from a terminal in Fedora.
does that work with any distro or just a fedora iso?

and thanks for the info!
 
Old 07-23-2009, 09:22 AM   #10
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Hmmmm...


does that work with any distro or just a fedora iso?

and thanks for the info!
I never tried it in anything other than Fedora.
 
  


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