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Old 04-29-2007, 05:53 PM   #1
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Install program blows up


I’ve come to realize an important fact about Fedora and that is that it
is a collection of applications in various stages of development
Some of the applications work and some of them do not.

There seems to be indifference by Red Hat as to how many malfunctions, bugs, and nasty little surprises that a Fedora release may contain.

Time was, a Red Hat release would load and ACTUALLY WORK. Now that Red Hat has joined the money race, all that is gone. In it’s place we have ‘projects’ – that is, the release has bugs and malfunctions which Red Hat expects you to work on – like a project.

Don’t feel like a project? Have a practical need for an actual working server that you have to get up on line now? Too bad. There’s always Debian, Mandiva, Ubuntu etc

But I want to express my regret with what we lost when Red Hat dumped us and to chase after the lucrative Enterprise market.

Here’s an example of a ‘bug’ that Red Hat seems to tolerate because it got carried from Fedora 5 to Fedora 6

When installing Fedora in graphic mode, when I come to the section where I will select the Package Groups, the first screen shows Office and Productivity Software Development and Web Server – and has a ‘customize now’ button for software selection to be installed. When you select ‘customize now’, the install program blows up. “It’s probably a bug” says the error message. Yeah right. More like a release not ready to be released. Nice going Red Hat

If I install Fedora in text mode, I can get through that same section just fine.

But it’s a project, right? You’re supposed to do Red Hat’s work for them and debug the program and then tell them what you did to fix the problem.


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Old 04-29-2007, 06:15 PM   #2
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You do realize that Fedora is RedHat's beta for their enterprise edition. So...yeah, it is a project, but that's the point.
 
Old 04-29-2007, 11:49 PM   #3
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Arow replied to my post with this:

"You do realize that Fedora is RedHat's beta for their enterprise edition.
So...yeah, it is a project, but that's the point."

No sir, the "point" is that Red Hat used to distribute a fully functioning reliable product
that was developed and de-bugged by them and which installed and WORKED. The "point", sir,
is that Red Hat changed to a system which distributes a buggy and half-functioning product
which requires extensive debugging by the user. Red Hat no longer puts out a quality product - only a "project" and they hope the customer will do the debugging for them and they can apply to the Enterprise Edition - at no cost to Red Hat.

Maybe the "point" is that we're a bunch of chumps being used by Red Hat

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Old 04-30-2007, 12:08 AM   #4
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have you tried checking your installation media? maybe try a different install method. I have gotten an error message like that before from the very first screen (boot: ) and from the package installer area. I moved to install from a hard drive image and haven't had a problem. But if you READ the fedora page, they say this is community developed. FEDORA has NO WARRANTY. If you want a warranty, pony up the money and actually BUY the Red Hat Linux Distribution. You are guaranteed tech support.
 
Old 04-30-2007, 07:55 AM   #5
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To stumpedguy_frustrate - thanks for your reply. Did you install the disk image on another machine or did you install another hard drive with the image on it to the machine you were working on ?

Looking on Red Hat's site shows that a basic server with one year support is $349.00

What I have been saying is that to continue using Red Hat we have gone from paying $39.00 for a stable release that will work after installation to paying $349.00 for basically the same thing. As a kind of "consolation" for us who don't want to join the Enterprise, Red Hat gave us the "Fedora project" - a buggy, balky product which may or may not return the effort to debug it and make it work. After Red Hat gets the benefit of our efforts we get another Fedora release with both continuing problems from previous releases plus a whole new set of problems. Such a deal.

So, yeah, I can "pony up" $349.00 for a year's subscription to Red Hat basic Enterprise, but a better way is to find a more sanely priced server edition that the developers debugged rather than dumping it on me to debug.

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Old 04-30-2007, 08:55 AM   #6
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I've installed FC5 & FC6 & FC7 trying to actually reproduse that error and I can't get it to 'blow up'. If it is really that big of a deal to you then submit a bug and let them fix it. As already stated the 'Fedora Project' is a project. If your looking to get help from the developers of Fedora then go ask one. (The majority are one IRC) Also FC is free so why would you be complaining? I guess you could always go back to windows but would that be any better?
 
Old 05-01-2007, 06:49 AM   #7
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To nomb, thanks for your reply

Well, if you didn't get the error when you loaded FC5 FC6 and FC7, it could be my media.

I can buy an already burned media and try that.

The only reason it's a big deal is because of the trouble I had with the NIC Cards.

Jang's book on Fedora Core 5 says that Fedora doesn't support configuration of Nic Cards in text mode.

In FC5 I could install as text, and change INITTAB to "5" and Gnome would start up.
In FC6 if I couldn't install in graphics mode, X mindows wouldn't start.

Thanks for your input.

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Old 05-01-2007, 08:47 AM   #8
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What if you install 5 and then use 6 to upgrade?

And actually just to knock some possibilites out, what happens if you try the fc6 live run?

Just a note fc7 will be out next month.

Last edited by nomb; 05-01-2007 at 08:48 AM.
 
Old 05-02-2007, 06:40 AM   #9
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Don't I need to be on the internet to install FC6 or FC7 live ?


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