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I personally think the addition of SELinux defaulting to "on" is enough for a major release bump.
I was a huge fan of previous Blue Curve desktops putting menus and icons in familiar places. Now the menus are in the stock "gnome" location. I had to take 2 minutes and move everything back to where I wanted it. Not a big deal really, but just non-intuitive for a typical Fedora users.
The yum config files are much faster but I think they made it harder to work with by putting each repo in it's own .repo file. Not big fan of that yet.
Also the removal of the kernel development section in the installer is also a big pain for me. I can manually download the kernel source just fine but it doesn't automatically load the dependencies which just makes it easier for me.
It also made my XP partition unbootable. Not a big fan of that either.
I personally think the addition of SELinux defaulting to "on" is enough for a major release bump.
What makes you say that? It seems to me that it is simply a flag set in Anaconda. I could be wrong...
I definately saw an improvement in yum. I really appreciated that.
As for the XP issue you're having, I can't comment. I haven't had win on my box for over a year. From what I understand win always screws up when a linux partition is created. It's one of those "charming" things win does and the first thing I mention to people considering a dual boot scenerio.
Well, yes, anaconda is able to turn it on or off, but defaulting to on is a significant security model upgrade for the general public at-large. It may not be a huge deal for single workstation "networks" with little or no important data onboard, but for anyone that provides services to an unsecure network, the extensions are a very powerful tool for administrators of which I am one.
As far as the XP boot issue, it's a kernel bug but also showed up in FC2 as well. This one is our problem, not XP this time. Anyway, I fixed it and it's all gravy now.
From your other posts on the board, I see you moved on to Mandrake. If you want to go over some of the issues you had with FC3, I'm willing to help. With a brand new release, it's going to be far from perfect. Only until its release to the general public will everyting get noticed. People just have a "thing" with running beta software. Hope you can find what you need, but if you want assistance with FC3, let me (us) know.
well my first impression is not very easy to install.
I am a noob when it comes to linux, even tho i have a server running FC2 fine and its fairly secure (or i hope it is).
I downloaded the DVD ISO of FC3 and burned it to a disc. it boots to the installer but then asks where the installation media is located. I chose CD-ROM because I thought that was the closest to DVD but it then says that there is no CD in the drive, well it would be correct because there isnt, there is a DVD in the drive.
I have also tried doing it by selecting Hard drive and then selecting /dev/hdc (my DVD drive).
That never worked neither. i would have liked it to work like that because then i would not have to use 4 CDR's.
Any one know why it is doing that or shall I just burn the 4 CD's that I have downloaded?
I don't have a DVD drive so I can't help with that, but if you feel comfortable with Yum, I would suggest burning only the first 2 CD's and doing as small an install as you can then install the rest through yum. That's the way I prefer only because I think the installer tries to install too much. Yum gives me a tad more fine-grained control.
Before we get too deep into this, I just remembered that FC3 uses udev which does away with static devices. I have no idea what a DVD drive would me mounted as, but instead of say /mnt/cdrom as I had in the past, it is now listed as /media/cdrecorder. It's a wild stab in the dark for me to guess, but I'd say try to give it something like /media/dvd and see if it finds it.
Upgrading will add another level of complexity to the job. There is a very good possibility you would need to burn at least 3 of the 4 CDs to do an upgrade because you need to update the entire install base which would certainly would include software located on the 3rd and 4th CDs. As you mentioned you could use the RPMs on the DVD to do an update, but I have no specific info to tell you how to do this in FC3. I do however have this link in my Bookmarks that you might be able to get some info from. It is for FC2 however.
I would say its almost too much trouble, not to mention I personally would wait a few weeks atleast before doing any upgrade to a new release. Just another measure of safety of you can't risk a crash.
If you do a clean install from the first 2 cds, I would just tell you to pick ONLY the X Windows group and the GNOME group and use YUM to install everything else. You might even go so far as to go into these 2 goups and uncheck the optional software first. Your LFS experience may even be enough to allow you to comfortably do a minimal install and load EVERYTHING from YUM. Be prepared to wait though as all you software downloads. It will take a while, but it will already be updated so in the long run it won't cost you that much more time. On a positive note, the Fedora Yum mirrors are MUCH faster than the FC2 mirrors.
I'have just installed my first FC! the 3 that is! I'v installed it in my laptop (Compaq Presario 920) and so far it's everythinh OK that was a good surprise ... with a plus ... the mobility readeon works with 3D accelelation for the fist time!!!! i'd tryed red-hat ... mandrake and none worked ... untill fedora came to the drive of my laptop!!! Some glitchs that i have to resolve the sound in the KDE does not work properly but in gnome works fine ... and i don't have a mount to NTFS and that is the only bad part of fedora for me...
My first linux experience was back on RH7 and had been a RH/Fedora devotee up until a couple of weeks ago (this is on my home - crash/burn/play system) when I let my desire to check out other distros take of my better senses. Over the past two months I installed and worked with Suse 9.1 Pro, Yoper, Mandrake, Novell, and Debian distributions. Each took a little of a learning curve to get used to they way system configuration worked. I finally came back to my sense when FC# was released and am I ever so happy. Perhaps it is because I've been using RH/Ferdora for so long that I' feel so at home with the distribution. This is the best RH/Fedora release that I've seen. I loved the installation - it even recomgnized that I had two physical disk drives and configured using LVM so that both drives were used. I've only tried LVM on RH/Fedora and it works well, but the first tie that I manually configured LVM it took some trial and error testing to get it the way I wanted it. The installation did this automatically and just about exactly how I would have configured it myself. The only area that I need to figure out is Samba under Nautilus. Gnome desktop has changed they way I access my shares and I need to get used to it. It works, but not how I'm used to it working.
By the way, if you are considering FC3 and prefer KDE, the KDE implementation is very good. I prefer Gnome but got used to KDE on Suse and Yoper and can understand why some people love it. Give FC3 a try and I think you'll like it .
I used a DVD and had no problems installing it on a notebook but I did have problems trying to tryign to change file system to EXT2. I have no idea what all those virtual partitions are or whatever. I'm a newbie but slowly learning. FC2 was much easier and so was Yum/Apt etc..
Originally posted by Cypionate I used a DVD and had no problems installing it on a notebook but I did have problems trying to tryign to change file system to EXT2. I have no idea what all those virtual partitions are or whatever. I'm a newbie but slowly learning. FC2 was much easier and so was Yum/Apt etc..
That is for Logical Volume Manager. It is a software layer on top of your actual partition layout that makes modifying partitions and adding or subtracting hard drive space much easier. Although it is nice for those that have it, it is not required and you can use your old swap and root "/" filesystem layout without issue.
If you want me to stop adding this extra info, just let me know. Sorry.
Originally posted by ghight If you want me to stop adding this extra info, just let me know. Sorry.
Nah, I appreciate any help. Being a newbie, I try to sponge up as much info as possible and eventually one day I can pass on some info to some other newbie. Eventually some day I'll get the hang of it like I do with WinXP. My eventual goal is to move off WinXP at work and use Linux exclusively at work which is possible thanks to TS and Citrix. Thanks again for the help!