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sljunkie 09-21-2012 11:44 PM

Fedora 17 - my impressions
 
After only a single day navigating through this distro, which was sufficient for me to install all the packages I needed and tweak the system to my likings (which were, fortunately, very few and easy tweaks) and configure a NFS + CUPS + server (I'm yet to discover how to do NIS + Kerberos), I have to say from a Slacker's point of view:

Pros:

- Simple to install
- Works 'out-of-the-box'
- GNOME 3.4 is a major improvement over its predecessors
- Pretty artwork (tip: install Faenza icons!)
- Standard configuration (bash scripts, tty's, etc) suitable for my likings

Cons:

- Damned separation of <package> and <package>-devel which troubles compilation from source
- Difficult to customize
- I don't know what the heck goes on during boot process (ie, the new systemd)

Notes:

I'm yet to discover how to change the lock-screen background. For GDM there's gdm3setup, but the one-liner I found on the web for the lock-screen background only works for GNOME 2.x I've had a hard time with samba, because for some unknown reason my old smb.conf file I used with Slackware 13.37 didn't work on Fedora 17 - sometimes I couldn't browse my shares with Nautilus. The only bug I found was the audio stopping when changing tty's. And for my surprise my Atheros card wasn't recognized by udevd!

Overall:

Very good desktop/laptop distro. Can be used as a server though, but it's tricky to modify anything under /etc.

acid_kewpie 09-22-2012 04:11 PM

Fedora should NEVER EVER be used as a server.

sljunkie 09-24-2012 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acid_kewpie (Post 4786750)
Fedora should NEVER EVER be used as a server.

Yeah, I kind figured it out. But are there security reasons I'm unaware of?

unSpawn 09-24-2012 11:55 AM

Let's start by saying that there is absolutely nothing that keeps you from running Fedora as a server as long as you understand a few things about it. (And while some of our members seem to use constant b0rkage as the single most important argument for not running Fedora at all that kind of statement should be taken with a pinch of salt.) Also Fedora's security features, its security documentation or its commitment to fixing security bugs are no way less than its parent.

The mean reason is there is a difference between what you get (in more than one way) with feature-focused, past-paced, early-releasing Linux distributions like Fedora* or say Arch Linux* versus stability-focused, conservatively releasing, commercially-oriented distributions like Red Hat Enterprise Linux* or its free-of-cost equivalents or say SuSE Linux Enterprise Server*.

The problem with hosting companies and resellers, vendor or product-supplied HOWTO's or tutorials posted at Howtoforge, Cybercity or Unixmen, like for instance Howto- Install LAMP server in Fedora 17, is they don't care at all or they silently assert the user knows how to properly secure a machine and they don't prepare the user to run a server from the ground up and in the right way. This, together with a lack of basic practical Linux and admin knowledge, lack of discipline, laziness and at times outright neglect, causes many desktop-oriented Linux installations fall prey to malicious activity.

So as long as you adhere to its release schedule, understand the meaning of stable API's and lacking long term support, plan what you install and how you configure things carefully and calculate in extra time spent on b0rkage, securing and auditing and maintenance there is no reason why you couldn't. But it also shows why people warn against using desktop-oriented Linux distributions for server purposes for good reasons.

schneidz 09-24-2012 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acid_kewpie (Post 4786750)
Fedora should NEVER EVER be used as a server.

well all pc's are servers so this statement is way too generalized. for instance i log into my fedora server via ssh almost every day and it worx just fine.

acid_kewpie 09-24-2012 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schneidz (Post 4788149)
well all pc's are servers so this statement is way too generalized. for instance i log into my fedora server via ssh almost every day and it worx just fine.

don't be daft, you know what I mean.

unSpawn 09-24-2012 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schneidz (Post 4788149)
for instance i log into my fedora server via ssh almost every day and it worx just fine.

With all due respect but that statement on its own is not proof of anything.

John VV 09-24-2012 05:17 PM

Well I like fedora BUT ...
and the BIG ones with fedora are

the VERY short life cycle -- 13 months wit ha VERY new and often VERY different OS release every 6 months

the "newest of the new "
with all the problems THAT causes
A lot of programs will NEED hacking to build on the NEW gcc that fedora uses in the release

and the " updates" ( not just fedora but any fast release dirtro)

fedora IS getting better ... BUT


now if one goes into it WITH THERE EYES WIDE OPEN
and UNDERSTANDS the issues
and HAS the time to do a FULL new reinstall EVERY 6 MONTHS on a working production server
and has the Back-up servers TO be able to do that
heck that is A LOT of extra underutilized hardware JUST to do new installs every 6 months

and so on .....

then it could be used well in a server room

but
look at "go-daddy"
they ARE still using
Fedora Core 1
Fedora Core2
Fedora Core3
.. .
Fedora Core6
--- NAME CHANGE
Fedora 7
....
Fedora10
servers that WILL NEVER get security fixes

And THAT IS THE MAJOR issue
running servers on UNSUPPORTED Operating systems

sljunkie 09-25-2012 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John VV (Post 4788371)
but
look at "go-daddy"
they ARE still using
Fedora Core 1
Fedora Core2
Fedora Core3
.. .
Fedora Core6
--- NAME CHANGE
Fedora 7
....
Fedora10
servers that WILL NEVER get security fixes

And THAT IS THE MAJOR issue
running servers on UNSUPPORTED Operating systems

Thank you for a very helpful response. I'm used to Slackware that's quite the opposite of Fedora, from the boot system (the BSD-system may be slow but it's THE best - very easy to understand and tweak) to the updates (I'm quite scared of kernel updates...) BUT I like them both... and for different reasons. Fedora is by far the best GNOME 3 distro out there (and I'm one of the few who actually really liked GNOME 3), it's fast and yum >> aptitude IMHO, specially because of the 'yum history undo <ID>' which allows you to test software in a 'clean' manner.

Master_Simon 10-11-2012 12:41 PM

I liked F17 while it worked, however there are issues that see it not work anymore...I am now waiting for F18 to come out....currently using Mint, and all my non boot issues are gone....

ComputeWorldwide 10-24-2012 03:40 PM

Dear Simon:

I wonder what you mean by Fedora 17 not working any more. I am typing this message on such a system. Could you please point me to the appropriate threads, if it has stopped working for you, or give me some specifics?

Thanks
...MontyMan.

Master_Simon 10-25-2012 12:47 PM

Monty
Please see my comments against my user name, I have been trying to get Fed17 working properly for a while now, and gave up, when it did die it happened in an instant.
I ended up using Mint as my 64 bit Fed17 was so unreliable in the end, I have had to give up, I can't be without my Linux computer.

(ps if you not sure, right click my user name open in new tab and all information is there)


Simon


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