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Old 06-02-2011, 11:09 AM   #16
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Gnome 3 working great, did have to study Gnome help files and learn how to use it correctly.
I think this is the point. If I wanted something to "use corectly" I'd get OS X. I know how I want my computer to work and I expect it to do as it's told

Fedora Forum is full of posts (over 50 at the last visit) on how to configure Gnome 3 by editing configuration files. If I wanted that sort of thing, I'd get Arch or Slackware.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 12:17 PM   #17
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meh, gnome 3 is relatively new so i'm sure some of the kinks havn't quite been worked out, and perhaps some of the cute 'configurator' apps aren't quite finished yet. Just be patient and give gnome 3 a chance to mature, but remember you aren't forced to use gnome 3, as i mentioned, i myself use WindowMaker, but there are dozens if not hundreds of gui interfaces to chose from.
 
Old 06-03-2011, 11:33 PM   #18
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Issue now solved. Reverted to Fedora 14. Thank you all for your comments.
 
Old 06-03-2011, 11:37 PM   #19
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Issue now solved. Reverted to Fedora 14. Thank you all for your comments.
In 6 months fedora 14 hits end of life . What will you do then ?

if you are going to use fedora then except fedora for what it is .
Then you will be happy .
 
Old 06-04-2011, 05:48 AM   #20
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In 6 months, hopefully, I will have found a distro that i enjoy as much as F 14.

Thank you, John VV. You have helped me greatly in the past,


regards

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Old 06-04-2011, 06:07 AM   #21
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@ brpy1- its possible that the issues you were getting with fedora 15 are related to gnome 3.

You could try one of the spins- KDE, XFCE, LXDE.
 
Old 06-04-2011, 09:37 PM   #22
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I'm runnin Fedora 15 with XFCE from a fresh install on my laptop. It's not as bad for me as other users state. The only problem I have had is it freezes or instantly shutdown when unmounting one of my mp3 players or moving files from one drive to another. Transfering from partition to partition on the same drive or between LVM partitions doesn't cause a crash. It didn't happen until after I install all wanted programs, updates, and final configurations. Fedora 14 on my desktop started the "upgrade process" to 15 on its own, something I didn't want to do until I made my decision with my laptop. Now it's having problems. Will be moving to LFS ASAP.
 
Old 06-05-2011, 04:19 AM   #23
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After re-installing Fedora 14, without problems, the system started to automatically upgrade to F 15, as with dinkus 223 above. This having been done, I can no longer even use gedit as root on fstab - crashes every time.

Looks like a coin toss between Linuxmint and Opensuse.
 
Old 06-06-2011, 09:54 AM   #24
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Like it or not, Gnome 3 is the future of Gnome. Fedora is fast-moving and bleeding edge; it will often incorporate not-ready-for-prime-time features (and, in my opinion, Gnome 3 is one of them). Other Gnome-based distros will be incorporating Gnome 3 as they move forward unless some entity decides to take on the task of maintaining Gnome 2. Thus the delay in making the move is only temporary. My expectation is that like KDE 4, Gnome 3 will eventually iron out its problems. I expect complaints about Gnome 3 in Fedora to rival those about Unity in Ubuntu. For now, if you don't like it, but want to stick with Fedora, you can simply choose to use another DE. Specifically, you might want to try the XFCE spin. I find XFCE to be very similar to Gnome 2 - YMMV. Personally, I switched to LXDE about the time of the F12-F13 transition. Works well for me (no problems with either F15 or Rawhide), but again - YMMV.
 
Old 06-15-2011, 11:45 AM   #25
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I've already replied to one of punts whinges about F15. It prodded me to (pre-)upgrade F14 to F15.
Preupgrade dies with some stupid corrupt openjpeg-devel package error.

I re-downloaded the package and it still happened. Apparently this problem has been noticed by others, according to my google searches.
 
Old 06-15-2011, 07:16 PM   #26
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everybody
THIS is fedora here we are talking about

it IS and HAS ALWAYS BEEN a testing and R&D distro
It's philosophy has always been
push it until it breaks , patch it ... push it some more PAST the breaking point . FIX that break ...REPEAT ...
and
the new est of the new

ACCEPT fedora for what it is !!!
------ it's FEDORA ------


once you accept just what fedora is -- YOUR life will be happier

the first 90 days of ANY fedora release have ALWAYS ALWAYS been filled with many MANY bugs
that is LIFE using fedora
get used to it

or
Use a different distro

if you DO NOT LIKE fixing bugs or fixing an issue of your( must use) program not running on a new version of fedora .Because the code in fedora is SO NEW that your "must use" program has not yet caught up with the "newest of the new " fedora
then
DO NOT USE FEDORA

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Old 06-16-2011, 12:25 PM   #27
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You've hit the nail on the head, John! In my case the nature of Fedora has crept up on me, as it were. I've used it since version 1, when it was just the successor to RH9. I've skipped the occasional version that's had a bad press, and ignored its transition to an experimental distro. I suspect this may be the case for others, as well.

If you like shiny new things, get Fedora, Arch, Sabayon, or even Ubuntu. If you like the tried and tested, go with Debian, CentOS, or Salix. Similarly, if you like a desktop that looks like a games console, get KDE 4 or Gnome 3. If you like something that does the job unobtrusively, get Xfce or a window manager. Simple, really.
 
Old 06-16-2011, 03:48 PM   #28
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i personally have been using redhat based systems since long before fedora even existed, and i have found myself more comfortable navigating a redhat based system then other systems, but none of the systems i have used have been without their flaws, the beauty of linux though is the shear amount of choices you have, don't like gnome 3, use xfce, windowmaker, kde, or something else, i use fedora almost exclusively on my desktop machines but I would never however install fedora on a production server because it uses some untested technologies.

the question you should ask yourself when chosing a distribution is how much time you want to spend tinkering with stuff to get stuff to work vs how much time you want to spend actually using that stuff, fedora imho has always leaned towards requiring more tinkering (although far from the extreme end being LFS)

yeah things break, but on the other hand i have had more luck with fedora's repositories in terms of finding what i want than with ubuntu's repositories (especially when it comes to 64bit Fedora vs 64bit Ubuntu) so there really is a trade off, and usually any problem I encounter I can either quickly research and find an answer, or it will work itself out after an update or two.

In short, you have a choice, nobody is forcing you to continue using fedora, find another distribution that suits you, or configure your fedora system to your liking (eg xfce instead of gnome, xdm instead of gdm, lilo instead of grub etc...). Instead of whining and moaning about how crappy something seems to you, remember.. Linux is FREE, you aren't paying for it, most of the developer's aren't getting paid for their time, it's predominantly coded on a volunteer basis. If you don't like it either don't use it or learn how to fix things yourself, be grateful Linux even exists as an alternative to Windows and Mac and other proprietary *NIX operating systems.

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Old 06-16-2011, 04:36 PM   #29
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I like fedora and used fedora from 4 to 11
but fedora is well " fedora "

i tell "new users" to look around for something that "fits " them
with fedora only some fit it
the ones who DO LIKE to tinker


but i would NEVER run fedora in a business office


use the os and programs that BEST fit your needs and wants
sometimes that is staying with MS or installing ubuntu or mint or PClinux ( never used it but a lot of people like it )

and sometimes fedora-?? BETA testing rc1
other times it is staying 90 days back.
Installing the NEW version after the first 90 days

/*or a bit safer */
15 just came out so install 14
then is 5 to 6 months install 15
-- stay one version back ---
 
Old 06-17-2011, 01:09 AM   #30
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i personally have been using redhat based systems since long before fedora even existed, and i have found myself more comfortable navigating a redhat based system then other systems, but none of the systems i have used have been without their flaws, the beauty of linux though is the shear amount of choices you have, don't like gnome 3, use xfce, windowmaker, kde, or something else, i use fedora almost exclusively on my desktop machines but I would never however install fedora on a production server because it uses some untested technologies.

the question you should ask yourself when chosing a distribution is how much time you want to spend tinkering with stuff to get stuff to work vs how much time you want to spend actually using that stuff, fedora imho has always leaned towards requiring more tinkering (although far from the extreme end being LFS)
I find that Fedora is incredibly flexible, allowing me to be VERY productive when I need to be, and allowing me to tinker when I want to. I mainly tinker for bells and whistles and custom functionality. I have had not booted Windows for over a year on any machine except one gaming rig. Soon as Wine works reliably with Starcraft 2 and Fallout:NV, well, that rig will go to 64-bit Fedora.

Of course, CentOS is even more productive. I deploy that for my business.
 
  


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