The people that review it.

I am really tired of hearing that Fedora 16 is the greatest thing ever with the exception of Gnome 3.x

First off, in more than one of these interviews I have read that fedora is a system for "expert" users and that less experienced users should stick with Ubuntu or mint. In my opinion, someone who calls them self an expert user shouldn't be making this argument because installing a new desktop is not something I would consider all that difficult. If you don't like it, change it. Isn't that why you started using linux in the first place?

Second, I like Gnome 3.x, here is why.
First off, I'm not running a server on my laptop. Would Gnome 3.x be a bad choice for a system where low latency and core functionality are important? Probably yes. KDE would also be a poor choice. On my server I run Openbox.

Yes, Gnome three is different. but come on, it's about as complicated to use as a iPhone. My wife (who previously hated linux) had it figured out in about five minutes. So don't tell me you're an "expert" who can't figure it out.
Finally, like any other desktop, when in doubt; open a terminal. Seriously, maybe I'm just old school but a new desktop manager affects my productivity about as much as changing the wallpaper. Just open a shell and get over it experts!!

Sorry about the shameless rant.
I feel better now.
mreff555

Wow, totally NOT what I expected to read! Totally my thoughts... Gnome 3 is fine. even 3.0 is fine. a few quirks, but most people just say they hate it because its different, I really couldn't care if it is simpler and erm... easier to use... I think it's quite freeing to not care, as long as I can launch Chrome and a terminal easily enough, what else do i need?

Mind you, why are you running ANY X on your server in the first place?

No. Linus Torvalds started to program the linux kernel because he wanted something like a free Unix replacement for his machines.

What is the point of running a GUI on a server?

Exactly. Who really wants to run something that seems to be designed for an embedded device on a 19-27" monitor?

The problem is not that people can't figure it out. The problem is that it ruins the workflow for many people. if it works for you, good, keep it. But that doesn't mean that it has to work for every one.

Nope. Why should I do that? Isn't that a contradiction to your "If you don't like it, change it." statement? When a system works not the way I want it to work then I don't get over it. This is not Windows where I have to accept and "get over it". I change it to my likings. The computer is a shapeable tool, it has to adapt to my way of using it, not the other way around. If I don't like a tool (and Gnome Shell is not more than a tool) I don't use it (as long as I have an alternative). But why shouldn't I have the right to say that I don't like it and why I don't like it? What has that to do with being an expert or not?

People are different, Gnome Shell is not for everyone. Get over that.

Well for me, F14 worked great with my Brother AIO printer, then I tried F15, I couldn't get it to work at all. I'm not sure what changed but I couldn't get it to print. I'll give F16 a go and see if the printer will print, if not, I'll get rid of F16.

Since I have a low spec system, I don't use G3 but another environment.

I built it from scratch and don't use a package manager. I got tired of looking for source with lynx. I like my iceweasel.

Now that it's there I'm too lazy to remove it.

Glad to hear it! There's something about Fedora that does that to people: Fedora Forum even has a special Rants section.

When I tested Fedora 15 (I've got past the stage of just installing) my reaction was "Not on my computer you don't!" It's not that Gnome 3's too complicated to learn, but that it just doesn't fit the way I work. If you just want to "open a terminal and launch Chrome", I dare say it's fine. If you are likely to have a pdf-viewer, text editor, two writer pages, and two calc pages spread over four workspaces, not to mention two keyboard drivers running, Gnome 2 or Xfce is better.

Still, as Marion Zimmer Bradley used to say, if we all liked the same thing there'd be a dreadful shortage of haggis.

The internet was created so that in case of a nuclear emergency, government agencies could maintain a decentralized network of communication.

I'm sure that was exactly why you pay for internet access.

No offcense to Mr. Torvalds, but I really don't care why he invented it. The point is why people use it.

TobiSGD

Seriously? I realize that by posting a rant, I open myself up for criticism; but arguing for arguments sake is a little childish.

I think you may want to re-read what I wrote. It appears to have gone over your head. I don't really care if you don't like Gnome 3. I don't like Gnome 2 and there is nothing you can say that could change my opinion.

Without recanting my entire message let me try to explain this using smaller words

The post I made was directed at people who like RH15/16 but don't like Gnome 3.x.
I gave two reasonable solutions.

1. Change the desktop
2. Get over it

You argued both which really doesn't leave a lot of options for the person that likes RH15/16. If you don't like Redhat, you don't have to run it. I see you use slackware. How is that working out for you? I like slackware too. But what if I said something like:
"Gosh, I sure like my copy of slackware. I just wish it had a GUI installed."

A good suggestion might be to either

1. Install a GUI
2. Get over it

Of course a third option would be to install a different operating system. However that kinda defeats the point.

I hope that helps.

mreff555

What annoys me is the fact that you have an apostrophe in the thread title for "annoy's." What, exactly, is the annoy possessing?

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For a Linux user Fedora is a beginners Distro but a for migrating Windows User it is not.The Desktop Environment is the most interacted with part of a O.S for a computer user so it is going to get the brunt of the evaluations.


Unless you are running Linux on a Tablet I don't see anything good about Gnome 3. A Tablet is dysfunctional to begin with so Gnome 3 would be counter acting this trait. I don't have a tablet and don't want one or desire the interface for one my desktop or laptop. No one is going back and forth between a Tablet/palm device and a desktop/laptop so having the same interface for both is ????. Gnome made it possible to be as dysfunctional as a Tablet/palm device user even on a desktop/laptop. Thanks Gnome!

I agree that it is definitely "different" and there are definitely some adjustments that have to be made before it can be used comfortably as a desktop. It definitely would be a good competitor for android on a tablet, with the exception that I am sure it is much more resource hungry.

My main interest in it now is trying to find a decent desktop for a media center. Generally I'm running boxee, but occasionally I'll shut it down to run other programs. Windows as well as other Linux desktops make it very difficult to navigate. It seems like the big icons, and ease of access to apps would make it a good choice.

I've just been trying out Fedora 16 (not a happy experience) and I spotted a couple of points that no-one here has mentioned:

eth0 is renamed; not very handy if you have software which expects eth0. To add to the fun, what the port is called depends on whether it's provided by the motherboard or a card!

Gnome 3's configuration file, ~/.config/dconf/user is binary! Whatever happened to the Unix idea that all configuration should be text? I made a typing error when using dconf and lost the desktop. The only way to recover was to delete the file so that it would be re-created (with all my configurations lost).