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No offensive, but we're backtracking here. The problem is that ATI doesn't fully support KMS. We've already determined that. Deesto, until KMS is fully supported by ATI, you have to have the radeon.modeset=0 line if you want any video support at all. As to the other problem, if the issue is what adamk said in his first post than, unfortunately, it confirms my previous statement: it is a driver issue. There is nothing you can do about it. File a bug report with ATI, describe the issue, try whatever they might suggest trying, but unfortunately, you'll probably just have to wait and hope. For now, you'll have to live with the open-source drivers, and without compositing (and for that matter, just about any other 3D) support. Unfortunately, Linux users have to live with the cruel reality that they are a tiny slice of the computing community. And those of us within the community who want 3D support for effects, gaming, or whatever have to live with the reality that we are a tiny slice of that tiny slice of the computing community; Linux is still primarily a development and server OS. What that means for us, the end users, is that graphics support S U C K S. There isn't anyway around it. Developers have little to no interest in providing the same support to the Linux community as they do to Windows users, for example, as we are such a tiny market. Sorry. |
Alright, it's almost sounding to me like X is capable of running, but kdm/gdm are failing to launch, and 'startx' is failing to start up a window manager or desktop environment... Let's try this... Boot into runlevel 3 and then run 'xinit /usr/bin/gnome-session' (assuming /usr/bin/gnome-session exists, of course).
Does that start X and gnome? Adam |
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Now the question is: Why aren't the drivers working properly on his setup. I'm actually not convinced they don't work, based on my line of questioning. I hope to confirm that fact, though. Adam |
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Ergo: KMS is not supported by ATI. You can't solve the problem of an unsupported feature by tweaking! If the proprietary drivers won't work with Fedora 12 at this point, he's just going to have to live with with the open-source drivers, or switch back to his Nvidia card. |
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EDIT: Unless there have been some updates updates that I'm unaware of (the Arch wiki is usually pretty bleeding edge), the issue still stands. EDIT 2: (I just can't seem to think ahead today!) Again, the open source drivers do work as long as he disables KMS. See: Quote:
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Thanks Alex, and sorry for backtracking. But even after restoring the radeon modeset directive (and the vga directive) in grub.conf, I'm getting the same (simulated) hang at boot. Xorg log still shows no errors, and the only warning after the "radeon" driver is loaded in the log is about color tiling not yet being supported.
I'm pretty frustrated at this point, and upset with myself for not doing more homework before ordering this card. I'd done a quick search and saw a few blog posts about having the card up and running in Fedora 12, all of which don't seem to make any sense at this point. And all to save my company $15 under the cost of a comparable nVidia card. |
I really don't give a rats ass what the Arch Wiki says. KMS works on ATI cards. Perhaps his card has a particular quirk that KMS is not used to. If that's the case, I'd like to find out. Chances are there are updated drivers on Koji that fix this issue (if it is a driver issue, which I still doubt) since the primary developers of the open source driver commit directly to Fedora.
And, finally, even if he has to disable KMS for some reason, 3D should still work. Adam |
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OK. Well we're getting somewhere, at least. The driver is at least somewhat functional. We need to figure out why gnome isn't fully starting. Can you try 'xinit /usr/bin/gnome-terminal' and see if X starts up with a usable terminal? The, from within that terminal (assuming you get that far), try '/usr/bin/metacity --replace &' to see if the gnome window manager will then start up?
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Ah, I didn't realize that. From your post, I thought that with the open source drivers X worked perfect minus your compositing support. Obviously the problem lies somewhere else, hopefully Adam will be able to help you in solving it. Now to another point: Quote:
But that aside, good luck on this one. |
Alright, my apologies for the remark about the Arch Wiki. The fact is that Fedora is considerably different from any other distribution. The kernel contains many bleeding edge features, including the latest and greatest code in KMS (at least at the time F12 was released.. A lot has changed since then). One of the selling points of F12 was the use of KMS by default on all radeon hardware and the ability to use 3D acceleration on r600/r700 GPUs. Obviously that doesn't mean it will work for everyone, but I just hadn't seen anything in the first two pages of this thread to suggest that this really was a driver issue.
So, to be fair, while I really don't care what the Arch Wiki says about KMS in this instance, I could have been more tactful about saying so :-) Adam |
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Please pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. I suspect the lack of keyboard and mouse input is due to this:
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(WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled. |
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http://deesto.pastebin.com/7Fu07eYH Screen0 and Mouse0 are definitely there ... interesting that only one screen is there too. |
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