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Old 08-07-2003, 05:58 AM   #1
Gromit
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Question Xfree on radeon 9600


Hello,
i just installed Debian 3.0 at home and i cant get Xfree to work because it doesnt know my Videocard (Radeon 9600 pro).
Ok, old software, new hardware...


I tried standard settings (VGA, 4mb ram), startx wont do...
Is there anything to setup for AGP cards ?
i thought every card matches the vesa vga standards ?


Problem is i cant find a driver for the card, ati doesnt offer one and there are no debian packages with it available (or at least i didnt find any...)
After some googling i found an rpm driver package,
at schneider-digital.de (not 9600, but said to be compatible)
aliened it and tried to install via dpkg, but that didnt work...

So is there anyone out there who can give me a hint ?
If you need any details, tell me... (and eventually how to get the details you need )

Strange things btw: with Knoppix or Suse Live eval i can even run KDE..

i dont get it...

Greetz
Gromit
 
Old 08-07-2003, 07:19 AM   #2
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Problem is that Knoppix has very very current software, while Woody (Debian 3.0) has very *stable* (read: old) software.

I would advise you to install Knoppix on your harddrive. You can boot the knoppix cd and run 'knx-hdinstall'.

Another option is to change 'stable' in /etc/apt/sources.list to 'unstable' and run:

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade

This will get you the latest (albeit sometimes unstable) software. You will still need to configure XFree86 instead of Knoppix doing it for you.

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Old 08-07-2003, 07:57 AM   #3
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>I would advise you to install Knoppix on your harddrive. You can boot the knoppix cd and run 'knx-hdinstall'.

I know its possible to install Knoppix, i had it installed for months until i noticed that it is a very good compilation of software, but it is not optimized to be installed nor to be the Linux installation to grow old with...

>Another option is to change 'stable' in /etc/apt/sources.ist to 'unstable' and run:

>apt-get update
>apt-get upgrade

>This will get you the latest (albeit sometimes unstable) software. You will still need to configure XFree86 instead of Knoppix doing it for you.

yeah thanks, that is a possibility, but as i am a beginner with Debian i want to stay on the stable tree, slowly tweaking and learning Debian so i know every error happening is my mistake
But i will keep that in mind if nothing helps, thanks

Isnt it possible to find out and install just the packages that enabled knoppix to detect and run my videocard without upgrading the whole system to unstable ?
 
Old 08-09-2003, 10:19 AM   #4
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I have come up with a short howto for Xandros that can likely be extrapolated for stock debian here: http://www.zopemafia.com/misc/radeon_under_xandros
 
Old 11-02-2003, 02:09 PM   #5
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how did u fix this problem?? i am having a problem of the same kind
 
Old 11-03-2003, 06:43 AM   #6
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ATi maintain Linux drivers for the Radeons on their site. The trick is you have to tell it you have a FireGL (and a fairly recent one at that) before you'll get the good ones. You'll also need a tool to convert them from the RPM form they're supplied in to a .tar.gz you can use to get them up and running but if you search the forum you'll come across a thread (it's called Ati and crashing X or something like that) from a guy with a similar problem which contains a link to just such a tool.
 
Old 11-05-2003, 12:35 PM   #7
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i recently ran into the same problem with my Radeon 8500dv. Go to www.xfree86.org and follow their installation instructions. The problem is that the current Debian stable packages don't use xfree86 4.3.0 or newer (which you and I need) First, run their "sh XInstall.sh -check" script to see which files you'll need. It'll probably say that you need the "Linux-ix86-glibc22" binaries. Just take your time and it should all work out.

This way you can keep the rest of your packages at the stable level while using the newer xfree86 files.

As an alternative you could update your apt sources file to include unstable packages using "apt-setup".
Then run "apt-get update". (Updates apt's package list, but makes no changes to your system)
Then run "apt-get install <whatever the xfree86 top package is>".
Then change your apt sources file back to stable again.
Then run "apt-get update" again.

I had problems with my keyboard doing it the second way, though.

Good luck.

Last edited by Tramontane; 11-05-2003 at 12:56 PM.
 
Old 11-05-2003, 10:39 PM   #8
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Neither ATi's or nVidia's drivers strictly need XFree86 4.3.0, they'll work in 4.1.x or 4.2.x just as well so upgrading X isn't strictly necessary and may cause more problems down the track on Debian when apt tries to upgrade it. It's best to just avoid the DRI drivers altogether (which on the latest cards are an absolute joke) unless you absolutely have to use them and just get the chipset manufacturer drivers.
 
  


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