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Old 06-08-2005, 12:10 PM   #1
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Exclamation Upgrade to Unstable -- No Panel!


Hi,

I just upgraded my sources to unstable, and I checked out my panel. It said it was Gnome 2.10.1 - sweet. But then I clicked on something else and the panel crashed! OK, reboot. Back up, still no panel! How do I get the Gnome panel back, when there is no panel there? When I minimize a window, it disapears into oblivion!

Thanks.
 
Old 06-08-2005, 01:47 PM   #2
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Well, you have chosen to track the "unstable" development branch that can sometimes be just what the name says. Just learn to live with it or stop tracking "unstable".

In some recent thread someone pointed out this introduction to Debian "unstable":
http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html
 
Old 06-08-2005, 02:30 PM   #3
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i dont know the name of th gnome panel but you could just try starting it from a terminal then saving the session so it loads on start up.
 
Old 06-08-2005, 02:56 PM   #4
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The developers are currently moving gnome 2.10.1 packages from "experimental" to "unstable" but not all the packages have yet been moved. In other words: gnome in "unstable" will be broken for a couple of days until all the gnome 2.10.1 packages are in "unstable".
 
Old 06-08-2005, 05:02 PM   #5
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Re: Upgrade to Unstable -- No Panel!

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Originally posted by Dr3n
Hi,

I just upgraded my sources to unstable, and I checked out my panel. It said it was Gnome 2.10.1 - sweet. But then I clicked on something else and the panel crashed! OK, reboot. Back up, still no panel! How do I get the Gnome panel back, when there is no panel there? When I minimize a window, it disapears into oblivion!

Thanks.
Oh dude. Not the best timing to try unstable let me tell ya hehe. I've foretold in several messages that Sid would go spastic after Sarge's release. Hang in there and ride it out unless you want to downgrade, or force version 2.8 back onto the system.

The Debian Sid guarantee.. if you break it you get to keep both pieces . Hint, if your not using it already, I highly suggest installing and using apt-listbugs.

Otoh, it's good to see them moving 2.10 in there so quickly.

Last edited by Deeze; 06-08-2005 at 05:03 PM.
 
Old 06-09-2005, 08:59 PM   #6
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Chances are you have gnome set to save your session when you log out.

just try running gnome-panel to get your panel back, and then you'll be set.
 
Old 06-09-2005, 09:23 PM   #7
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Thanks for the reply's friends.

I've tried downgrading the gnome-panel package, but since some of the other packages installed are the "newest" version, there are several dependancy problems. (Apt refuses to downgrade on it's own, and I'm too lazy to do it manually.) So my solution, not the greatest, is to just start my system all over again. It's really not a big deal. I have all my *important* data backed up onto DVD's and whatnot, so it's all good.

So the moral of the story is, if it ain't broke, don't upgrade to unstable!
 
Old 06-10-2005, 01:38 AM   #8
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Personally I'm currently tracking the "testing" branch (codenamed Etch) of Debian and I've got the apt-listbugs package installed (apt-listbugs warns before installing packages that have reported bugs, like broken dependencies). Actually I consider even this setup a bit hazardous but I'm an incurable optimist.

Like Deeze wrote, this in an exceptionally turbulent time in "unstable" -- many big package upgrades (gnome 2.10, kde 3.4, X.org, etc.) that have been held back because of the Sarge release will now go to "unstable" all at once. "Unstable" is not always this unstable and it may actually be quite stable for a long period of time but these more unstable phases WILL happen from time to time. I find it very unfortunate that Mepis, Kanotix, and Knoppix, that are used as "easy Debian installers" by many newbies, are now all based on "unstable" and use it as the default repo in their sources.list after hd-installation. I guess the temptation of becoming more popular by offering "the latest and the greatest" has clouded the better judgement of the developers of these distros and it's the users who will suffer the consequences.

"Testing" is not really that far behind "unstable" as far as up-to-dateness is being concerned and, in my opinion, Debian "testing" will make a pretty good choice (especially with apt-listbugs installed) for those of us who want to have a smoothly working GNU/Linux desktop all the time. Unfortunately apt-get cannot manage downgrades from "unstable" to "testing" as reliably as it can manage upgrades and reinstalling Debian is often the best way to downgrade.
 
  


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