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Old 11-08-2011, 05:00 AM   #1
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unbelievable new cr@p desktop


well after the latest update to Debian Testing, a very unpleasant surprise, Gnome turned into some piece of @$@%@%. that must be the new Unity thing Ubuntu suffers from.

please tell me how to revert to good old Gnome.
 
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Old 11-08-2011, 05:13 AM   #2
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I'm afraid there's bad news. Gnome 3 is bad and there's no way to revert to Gnome 2 as far as I know. You have a choice to go to KDE or XFCE or any other desktop or window manager.

P.S. Gnome 3 "Classic" mode is available, but it's still not the same as Gnome 2. I wiped out Gnome and installed KDE...
 
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Old 11-08-2011, 05:23 AM   #3
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You're running testing that's what happens in testing.

Gnome 2.x is dead, your gnome installation got upgraded to Gnome 3.x (it's not unity, thankfully that's a buntu only disease for now - though Gnome 3.x is just as bad IMO).

Your options, as I currently see them, are:

- Downgrade to Debian Stable and "enjoy" "classic gnome" as long as you like. (well maybe only until squeeze becomes the old oldstable)

- Switch to Xfce - that's the way a lot of ex gnome 2.x users are going

- Switch to KDE 4.x - better than gnome 3.x and has improved quite a lot since the early 4.x releases.

- Try the recent gnome 2.x fork, known as "Mate", it look like you will have to compile it yourself however: https://github.com/Perberos/Mate-Desktop-Environment

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Old 11-08-2011, 05:27 AM   #4
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I see, well I'm using xfce now and it looks good. its fast and everything works fine so far.
thanks.
 
Old 11-08-2011, 07:59 AM   #5
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Also note that Unity and GNOME 3 are unrelated. They are two separate desktops.
 
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Old 11-08-2011, 08:22 AM   #6
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They want to take all productive desktops and turn them into iPad/iPhone wannabes. I cannot even get why they would do this. The Windows and Mac OS users aren't going to jump ship in droves just because Unity/Gnome 3 looks pretty.

Hopefully KDE won't be dumbed down in the future. I am a power desktop user and like a full DE's functionalities especially for a laptop (since there is integrated power management and so on), but seeing how Gnome went, my hopes aren't high.

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Old 11-08-2011, 08:38 AM   #7
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I had the same reaction after upgrading to Ubuntu 11.10, so I switched to Mint and am liking it very much so far. Their approach to Gnome 3 is interesting: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1851
 
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Also note that Unity and GNOME 3 are unrelated. They are two separate desktops.
Well unity is just a plugin for compiz though there is now also a non 3D accelerated version based on Qt..., but the rest is still the usual gnome 3.x programs as far as I know?

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They want to take all productive desktops and turn them into iPad/iPhone wannabes. I cannot even get why they would do this. The Windows and Mac OS users aren't going to jump ship in droves just because Unity/Gnome 3 looks pretty.
Well it's just gnome doing this.

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Hopefully KDE won't be dumbed down in the future. I am a power desktop user and like a full DE's functionalities especially for a laptop (since there is integrated power management and so on), but seeing how Gnome went, my hopes aren't high.
KDE hasn't really been dumbed down IMO. It just looks very shiny and the whole plasmoids approach is annoying to get into. It's ok for me, but like all desktops far from perfect - it all fits together well though and if you want (almost) painless power and removable storage management it's worth it. I've run the 'boxes in the past, but always found that I was jumping through hoops to get even the most simple things done or ended up installing programs from Xfce or KDE - the tinkering and customising is endless also and in the end you realise you've been doing nothing else but tinkering.

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Old 11-08-2011, 11:16 AM   #9
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Caravel is correct Unity is just Ubuntu's face for Gnome 3. They are in essence, underneath at least, the exact same thing.

I have to admit I like G-S, I know I'm in the minority but that makes it interesting for me cause no one else is working through things figuring out how to do stuff.

KDE, to me, is for people who want bling, if it isn't shiny and sparkly it wont be in KDE. G-S is different and I am yet to see what the anti G-S feeling is all about. If you want a resource hog go KDE, I'm perfectly happy with G-S + Mutter and my little list of programs that I use regularly.
 
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Caravel is correct Unity is just Ubuntu's face for Gnome 3. They are in essence, underneath at least, the exact same thing.
I thought that since Unity is a Compiz plugin, it's just a window manager and not a full desktop environment.
 
Old 11-08-2011, 11:40 AM   #11
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I really wish folks would learn that Gnome3 is not a desktop environment. The default DE, from the folks at Gnome, is Gnome Shell.

The default DE for Ubuntu running Gnome3, because they can't seem to get along with anyone, is Unity.

Gnome Shell and Unity are far from being the same thing. They do look similar. The ease of making extensions for GS make it vastly different.

There were many extensions made for GS before it was released even.

I have used it. Have it on my favorite Sid install. With carefully chosen extensions, or building your own, you can have a work flow that suits you to a T.

As a disclaimer I must say that I am using Xfce as it already does just about every thing I want it to do.

One of the reasons for this is not the Gnome3 look or feel but what they have done to Nautilus. That, to me, just sucks.
 
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Old 11-08-2011, 12:24 PM   #12
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I thought that since Unity is a Compiz plugin, it's just a window manager and not a full desktop environment.
Read Widget's reply carefully.

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I really wish folks would learn that Gnome3 is not a desktop environment. The default DE, from the folks at Gnome, is Gnome Shell.

The default DE for Ubuntu running Gnome3, because they can't seem to get along with anyone, is Unity.
Yep all Canonical has done is rip G-S away as the visual (desktop) environment and put in its place some weird Frankenstein thing that just takes up screen space.

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Old 11-08-2011, 09:02 PM   #13
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KDE hasn't really been dumbed down IMO. It just looks very shiny and the whole plasmoids approach is annoying to get into. It's ok for me, but like all desktops far from perfect - it all fits together well though and if you want (almost) painless power and removable storage management it's worth it. I've run the 'boxes in the past, but always found that I was jumping through hoops to get even the most simple things done or ended up installing programs from Xfce or KDE - the tinkering and customising is endless also and in the end you realise you've been doing nothing else but tinkering.
KDE hasn't been dumbed down; I just feared that somebody might have that bright idea in the future.

However, I resented KDE 4 when it first came out and moved to Gnome. Then Gnome 3 came out and I moved back to the lesser (IMHO) evil.

If I could find a way to remove my reliance on KMyMoney, I would probably move to Xfce in the future.
 
Old 11-08-2011, 10:04 PM   #14
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Unless you are on a very small HDD there is no stopping you from using Xfce and having KMyMoney on there.
 
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Unless you are on a very small HDD there is no stopping you from using Xfce and having KMyMoney on there.
Yes, but the point was about trying to use desktop-neutral applications if possible since that makes it easier and fairly painless to switch desktop environments when the need arises. Having to use desktop-specific applications often drags in dependencies which make it harder to completely get rid of one desktop environment and use another.
 
  


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