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Old 04-13-2010, 08:32 PM   #1
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Ubuntu => Debian, worth switching?


I've used Ubuntu for about three years now, but I am wondering if there would be any advantage to running Debian instead.

There isn't any particular reason that I want to switch. The drive among Ubuntu developers to make Linux more attractive to new users annoys me a bit. More than anything though, I was just thinking about trying a different distribution, Debian being the obvious choice, since several peculiarities of the two systems are the same.
 
Old 04-13-2010, 09:36 PM   #2
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I won't try and talk you out of trying Debian, because I personally use and love it. That being said, Ubuntu and Debian are 99% the same; I'm not sure there's much reason to switch if Ubuntu satisfies your needs well.
 
Old 04-13-2010, 09:43 PM   #3
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My advice is don't switch. The reason depends on how well you know Linux.

If you don't know Linux well, you shouldn't switch because the beginner friendly features of Ubuntu compared to Debian make a difference.

If you know Linux well, you shouldn't switch because the beginner friendly features of Ubuntu compared to Debian don't make a difference.

If you know Linux well, you know how to ignore or disable any beginner friendly feature you don't want. You know how to easily adjust any Debian based distribution (including Ubuntu) into the Debian based system you want. It really doesn't matter which you start with, so why waste time starting with a different one.
 
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:13 PM   #4
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Hint: if you want to try some new distro, use VirtualBox. Does require a fairly modern setup though... Alternative would be KVM/QEMU, but still a modern machine with plenty of RAM would be required...
 
Old 04-14-2010, 02:13 AM   #5
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There are many differences between Debian and Ubuntu, I'll just mention one of them. Release cycles. Ubuntu is on a fixed 6 month cycle while Debian releases are on a non-fixed cycle which generally turns out to be about two years. As such you will have newer software running Ubuntu than you will with a Debian release. However Debian releases tend to be much more stable.

The key word here is "release", since with Debian you also have the option of using "testing" or even "unstable" which are constantly updated.

So you need to know, what it actually is that you want from your installation before you can really make a decision.

Cheers,

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Old 04-14-2010, 02:17 AM   #6
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Ubuntu is just a rip off of Debian so switch to Debian.
 
Old 04-14-2010, 02:55 AM   #7
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There are many differences between Debian and Ubuntu, I'll just mention one of them. Release cycles. Ubuntu is on a fixed 6 month cycle while Debian releases are on a non-fixed cycle which generally turns out to be about two years. As such you will have newer software running Ubuntu than you will with a Debian release. However Debian releases tend to be much more stable.
+1 to that.

Have you considered switching desktop rather than distribution? A lot of Ubuntu's becoming "more attractive to new users" is in the GNOME desktop rather than the rest of ubuntu.

I'm not trying to persuade you against switching (I switched from ubuntu with GNOME to ubuntu with Xfce to Slackware with Xfce and have never regretted it), I'm just suggesting an intermediate step, an option to consider.

As to whether Debian is the best distro to choose after Ubuntu, there are many factors to consider. I liked the way Slackware is organised (by a benign and wise despot -- the best of all forms of government!) as opposed to Debian's committee-based organisation (committees make compromises). I also liked Slackware's online community -- very knowledgeable and helpful.
 
Old 04-14-2010, 09:26 AM   #8
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Ubuntu is rushed to market to meet a self-imposed deadline, ready or not. All too often, in its effort to be cutting-edge and "all things to all users," there is buggy, experimental software by default. Ubuntu spin-offs like Linux Mint and others, offer much better remixes of "Ubuntu done right" after they have cleaned up the mess Ubuntu makes with every new release.

That said, Xubuntu (the Xfce edition of Ubuntu) is an independent project and rarely ever ships with the buggy, experimental Gnome-dependent cruft that its older sibling does. No PulseAudio, no Mono (if that matters to you), it is much more stable and much less buggy. And lately it seems that Xubuntu has been "on a diet," it's devs having finally realized that they don't have to load up Xubuntu with all that Gnome cruft. Both Karmic and Lucid releases of Xubuntu are the best yet.

I use Debian (Testing, Xfce) for ethical reasons; just personal beliefs about the proper approach to software, free or proprietary. But I agree with Catkin - merely switching desktop editions rather than learning a whole 'nother distro would probably be a more satisfying experience.

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Old 04-14-2010, 09:34 AM   #9
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Ubuntu is just a rip off of Debian so switch to Debian.
In typical usage, "rip off" connotes illegal or unethical behavior. Considering this, I think the above statement is incorrect.
 
Old 04-14-2010, 11:22 AM   #10
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Webster's defines rip off as:
2 : to copy or imitate blatantly or unscrupulously

So... maybe you're right. But I still say it's a rip off.
 
Old 04-14-2010, 11:36 AM   #11
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Just think of any *buntu as a modifed/customized Mustang
and Debian would be a factory Mustang

So, buntu is just a customized debian basically.
 
Old 04-14-2010, 12:21 PM   #12
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I look at it like this;why have a derivative when you can have the real thing?.
Instead of having Ubuntu's spin on a Debian based system,grab yourself the net-install disc for whichever branch
of Debian you decide on.Then build the system you want from the base system up.

Also you could try a live Debian disk,here's the link:

http://live.debian.net/
 
Old 04-14-2010, 04:18 PM   #13
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my first linux distribution was slackware. that was a really tough one for a total newbie, but i learned a lot this way. after several months i switched to debian and it looked so user friendly to me, so that, like you said, kinda annoys also
actually, nobody can answer you switch to debian or not. this can do you only. people are different i definetly would go for debian, but that's because i don't like ubuntu

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Old 04-14-2010, 04:38 PM   #14
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One of the reasons I prefer Ubuntu to Debian is Firefox vs. IceWeasel. That one naming detail matters probably more than it should. But it is really about the attitude. I prefer practical over "correct" in most decisions. Those in charge of Debian care just a bit too much about "correct".
 
Old 04-14-2010, 05:01 PM   #15
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One of the reasons I prefer Ubuntu to Debian is Firefox vs. IceWeasel. That one naming detail matters probably more than it should. But it is really about the attitude. I prefer practical over "correct" in most decisions. Those in charge of Debian care just a bit too much about "correct".
No it is about following the DFGS. And you can blame Mozilla for the Iceweasel thing. Personally I have both Iceweasel and Firefox installed.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3
iceweasel:Installed: 3.6.3-1 Candidate: 3.6.3-1

Mozilla Corporation software rebranded by the Debian project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel

@OP how many people do you know that have ran Ubuntu for 5 or more years without having to reinstall? I installed Debian sid back in Feb. 2004, I do daily apt-get dist-upgrades and have not had to reinstall yet.
Ubuntu does tend to have newer packages and even has a few packages that aren't in the "official" Debian repos. There really isn't much difference between the two, but Debian is more "stable".
 
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