LinuxQuestions.org
LinuxAnswers - the LQ Linux tutorial section.
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Distributions > Debian
User Name
Password
Debian This forum is for the discussion of Debian Linux.

Notices

Reply
 
Search this Thread
Old 08-21-2013, 09:14 PM   #1
junior-s
Member
 
Registered: Apr 2013
Location: Brazil
Distribution: Arch Linux
Posts: 137

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Testing ISO - Blac screen


I downloaded and tested the Testing version and both DVD and CD versions present me with a black screen when I try to install graphically. I can install without the graphical environment.
Can somebody else confirm this? I did "md5sum -c md5sum.txt" and everything is OK.

Download link http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/

Last edited by junior-s; 08-21-2013 at 09:15 PM.
 
Old 08-21-2013, 09:18 PM   #2
astrogeek
Senior Member
 
Registered: Oct 2008
Distribution: Slackware: 12.1, 13.1, 14.1, 64-14.1, -current, FreeBSD-10
Posts: 1,953

Rep: Reputation: 727Reputation: 727Reputation: 727Reputation: 727Reputation: 727Reputation: 727Reputation: 727
I don't know Debian, but if you could tell us what the hardware is it might be helpful getting a good answer.
 
Old 08-21-2013, 09:30 PM   #3
Firerat
Senior Member
 
Registered: Oct 2008
Distribution: Debian Jessie / sid
Posts: 1,471

Rep: Reputation: 444Reputation: 444Reputation: 444Reputation: 444Reputation: 444
Since it is 'Testing' you can expect things to break.
That is what testing is for.. to find out what breaks.
 
Old 08-21-2013, 09:45 PM   #4
junior-s
Member
 
Registered: Apr 2013
Location: Brazil
Distribution: Arch Linux
Posts: 137

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Quote:
Originally Posted by astrogeek View Post
I don't know Debian, but if you could tell us what the hardware is it might be helpful getting a good answer.
It's not hardware related =) Trust me. Every other Debian ISO works. This could be just a little bug.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firerat View Post
Since it is 'Testing' you can expect things to break.
That is what testing is for.. to find out what breaks.
No. I expect more things to break at Unstable or experimental. But I don't need those images so I didn't bother to download them.
 
Old 08-21-2013, 09:47 PM   #5
TobiSGD
Moderator
 
Registered: Dec 2009
Location: Hanover, Germany
Distribution: Main: Gentoo Others: What fits the task
Posts: 15,592
Blog Entries: 2

Rep: Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047
It might be driver related, so the hardware indeed matters.
 
2 members found this post helpful.
Old 08-21-2013, 09:52 PM   #6
junior-s
Member
 
Registered: Apr 2013
Location: Brazil
Distribution: Arch Linux
Posts: 137

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Quote:
Originally Posted by TobiSGD View Post
It might be driver related, so the hardware indeed matters.
Tested on VirtualBox, my machine and a friend's laptop. This last one being very new hardware.

I'm hoping other people can confirm this. Even the little CD image has this, so if someone has a good connection, please feel free to try it too.
 
Old 08-21-2013, 09:52 PM   #7
widget
Senior Member
 
Registered: Oct 2008
Location: S.E. Montana
Distribution: Debian Testing, Stable, Sid and Manjaro, Mageia 3, LMDE
Posts: 2,248

Rep: Reputation: 371Reputation: 371Reputation: 371Reputation: 371
I doubt many Debian testing users would ever notice that the graphical install option was not working. I, for instance, can't understand why anyone uses it.

As pointed out this is testing.

If you want to use testing as testing then you should be reporting this as a bug so the devs know about it. It is possible that it only affects your hardware. How are they supposed to fix it if you don't report it.

The installer has to evolve along with the rest of the new release. Falling behind can only make it harder to fix later.

If you want to install testing to simply use, I think you will find most folks use the Debian stable netinstall image (works reliably) using just the base install. Upgrade that install to testing or sid and then finish installing the OS.
 
Old 08-21-2013, 09:57 PM   #8
widget
Senior Member
 
Registered: Oct 2008
Location: S.E. Montana
Distribution: Debian Testing, Stable, Sid and Manjaro, Mageia 3, LMDE
Posts: 2,248

Rep: Reputation: 371Reputation: 371Reputation: 371Reputation: 371
Quote:
Originally Posted by junior-s View Post
It's not hardware related =) Trust me. Every other Debian ISO works. This could be just a little bug.



No. I expect more things to break at Unstable or experimental. But I don't need those images so I didn't bother to download them.
I am sorry to burst your bubble but that installer is not the installer used for Debian stable. You have no idea what the cause is and hardware bugs are extremely frequent in any testing environment.

Could be very specific to your hardware even. Could be specific to any neccessary component.

You and I are not qualified to make this judgement. Only a properly filed bug will give the folks that actually know something of the installer for Jessie will get this analized.
 
Old 08-21-2013, 10:07 PM   #9
junior-s
Member
 
Registered: Apr 2013
Location: Brazil
Distribution: Arch Linux
Posts: 137

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Quote:
Originally Posted by widget View Post
I doubt many Debian testing users would ever notice that the graphical install option was not working. I, for instance, can't understand why anyone uses it.

As pointed out this is testing.

If you want to use testing as testing then you should be reporting this as a bug so the devs know about it. It is possible that it only affects your hardware. How are they supposed to fix it if you don't report it.

The installer has to evolve along with the rest of the new release. Falling behind can only make it harder to fix later.

If you want to install testing to simply use, I think you will find most folks use the Debian stable netinstall image (works reliably) using just the base install. Upgrade that install to testing or sid and then finish installing the OS.
Testing is NOT unstable and it is way more reliable to install from the Testing ISO, I tried many times upgrading from Stable and it's just a mess.

Again, I tested with 3 hardware specs, the last one being the newest. It happened in all of them.

I'm going to zero this drive and in the meantime search for the bugtracker.

Quote:
Originally Posted by widget View Post
I am sorry to burst your bubble but that installer is not the installer used for Debian stable. You have no idea what the cause is and hardware bugs are extremely frequent in any testing environment.

Could be very specific to your hardware even. Could be specific to any neccessary component.

You and I are not qualified to make this judgement. Only a properly filed bug will give the folks that actually know something of the installer for Jessie will get this analized.

What bubble? Did you really think I thought this installer was for the Stable release? I clearly stated that this is the testing ISO.

Bugs are extremely frequent in testing? You seem to know little about Debian. Ubuntu LTS is mostly based of Debian Testing, and it's very stable and rare to find broken things.

Last edited by junior-s; 08-21-2013 at 10:08 PM.
 
Old 08-21-2013, 10:51 PM   #10
Firerat
Senior Member
 
Registered: Oct 2008
Distribution: Debian Jessie / sid
Posts: 1,471

Rep: Reputation: 444Reputation: 444Reputation: 444Reputation: 444Reputation: 444
You are correct, testing is not unstable but it isn't stable either.

Do you think Ubuntu take Debian Testing and just slap their pictures into it?
No they do further patching..

If you are a 'serious' Tester then
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting

remember you must provide specific details

Quote:
Tested on VirtualBox, my machine and a friend's laptop. This last one being very new hardware.
is pretty much useless.

if you want to just use testing, install wheezy.. then

Code:
sudo sed -i "s/wheezy/testing/" /etc/apt/source.list
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
but you said yourself, the text based install works.. why do you need the graphical install?
I could understand if it was "stable" we were discussing, but no were are talking about _*testing*_ which is not stable...
 
Old 08-22-2013, 12:15 AM   #11
astrogeek
Senior Member
 
Registered: Oct 2008
Distribution: Slackware: 12.1, 13.1, 14.1, 64-14.1, -current, FreeBSD-10
Posts: 1,953

Rep: Reputation: 727Reputation: 727Reputation: 727Reputation: 727Reputation: 727Reputation: 727Reputation: 727
Sorry I had to step out for a while... looks like this turned into a testing vs stable discussion while I was gone!

Quote:
Originally Posted by junior-s View Post
It's not hardware related =) Trust me. Every other Debian ISO works. This could be just a little bug.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TobiSGD View Post
It might be driver related, so the hardware indeed matters.
That was my thought. I mostly hang out in the Slackware forums and most of the "blank screen" posts I see there are related to kernel support for the latest hardware during install and boot, so I thought it might be helpful to know the hardware.

Being a Slacker I am accustomed to -current (i.e., testing) being nearly as stable as the latest release, but not sure about Debian so I'll stay clear of that discussion.
 
Old 08-22-2013, 01:51 AM   #12
descendant_command
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2012
Posts: 802

Rep: Reputation: 182Reputation: 182
Quote:
Originally Posted by junior-s View Post
Testing is NOT unstable and it is way more reliable to install from the Testing ISO, I tried many times upgrading from Stable and it's just a mess.

Again, I tested with 3 hardware specs, the last one being the newest. It happened in all of them.

I'm going to zero this drive and in the meantime search for the bugtracker.




What bubble? Did you really think I thought this installer was for the Stable release? I clearly stated that this is the testing ISO.

Bugs are extremely frequent in testing? You seem to know little about Debian. Ubuntu LTS is mostly based of Debian Testing, and it's very stable and rare to find broken things.
You might want to tone down your bullshit a bit.
It's very clear you have little idea what you are talking about, and lecturing users with a lot more experience than yourself is unlikely to get you any useful help, now or in the future.
 
2 members found this post helpful.
Old 08-22-2013, 02:19 AM   #13
Firerat
Senior Member
 
Registered: Oct 2008
Distribution: Debian Jessie / sid
Posts: 1,471

Rep: Reputation: 444Reputation: 444Reputation: 444Reputation: 444Reputation: 444
Well, in VirtualBox it 'falls over' when initialising the framebuffer

text mode works
 
Old 08-22-2013, 04:34 AM   #14
Randicus Draco Albus
Senior Member
 
Registered: May 2011
Location: Wallowing in a pit of despair.
Distribution: OpenBSD
Posts: 1,289
Blog Entries: 4

Rep: Reputation: 348Reputation: 348Reputation: 348Reputation: 348
Quote:
Originally Posted by junior-s View Post
Bugs are extremely frequent in testing? You seem to know little about Debian. Ubuntu LTS is mostly based of Debian Testing, and it's very stable and rare to find broken things.
You are familiar with Ubuntu, so therefore, you know more about Debian than Debian users do? Impeccable logic. And how rare are bugs in Ubuntu? I remember Buntu having quite a few annoying bugs when I used it.

Quote:
No. I expect more things to break at Unstable or experimental.
That is probably the case, but breakage is also part of a testing system.
 
Old 08-22-2013, 04:40 AM   #15
TobiSGD
Moderator
 
Registered: Dec 2009
Location: Hanover, Germany
Distribution: Main: Gentoo Others: What fits the task
Posts: 15,592
Blog Entries: 2

Rep: Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047Reputation: 4047
People, please keep this discussion civil.
To clarify some things:
- Debian Testing is currently not in a freeze, so the installers for Testing and Unstable are the same.
- Since the OP seems to have tested this on different hardware and in a VM this may indeed be a bug, so the proper way is to just report it.
- While Debian Testing is indeed pretty stable it is still a development branch and therefore can have bugs and/or instabilities, especially when it comes to the installer, that is naturally less tested than the rest of the OS.
- When opening a new thread it is a always a good idea to put in all information that might be necessary to help, even if you deem it at the moment to be superfluous. It may help to answer your question even if you don't think so. At this time we don't even know if you use the 32 or 64 bit version.

FWIW, I just tested the 64 bit netinstall ISO in Qemu and it works.

Last edited by TobiSGD; 08-22-2013 at 04:41 AM.
 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I can not install debian testing(maybe bug in Iso of 21-11-2011) Rocker85 Debian 9 11-25-2011 11:20 AM
Needs advice about the official Debian testing ISO maximum Debian 7 03-05-2008 06:15 PM
download testing iso plesaleza Debian 18 08-24-2007 01:42 PM
Linux ISO testing Trizon Linux - General 3 04-19-2005 04:40 PM
How many testing .iso's are there? 1madstork Debian 3 12-19-2004 03:32 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:30 PM.

Main Menu
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
identi.ca: @linuxquestions
Facebook: linuxquestions Google+: linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration