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Old 12-15-2006, 07:18 AM   #1
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Stable to Testing


When Etch becomes stable, would that be a good time to change from stable to testing or would there be an influx of "unstable" packages from Sid to the new testing?

I would like to change to testing but I don't want to screw up my system like I managed to with Slackware and Gentoo when I was upgrading.
 
Old 12-15-2006, 07:34 AM   #2
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When Etch becomes Stable you have a fairly modern system, so no need (yet) for Testing. Running Testing just for the sake of being able to say you run Testing is the wrong reason. You should only use Testing when it contains a package you require. Keep in mind that unlike distro's like Suse, Fedora and Ubuntu the emphasis with Debian is stability. The forenamed distro's focus more on 'cutting edge' and thus accept failing combinations of packages, sometimes even breakage and causing useless systems. So if you're after the latest packages, Debian might not be the distro for you.
 
Old 12-15-2006, 01:08 PM   #3
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Fair comment Dutch Master! As I said, I am reluctant to break my system again so stability is more important to me than the latest software.
 
Old 12-15-2006, 01:19 PM   #4
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I think most "hobbyist" Debian users run Testing. It is really quite stable, and you keep fairly cutting edge software. Use your own judgment, but unless you are running a production system of some sort, Testing will probably be more suitable.There will be an influx of new programs to Testing when Etch goes stable, but they will have had extra time in Sid to get the bugs worked out. I foresee no problems with that transition. A harder transition may be moving from Sarge to Etch because of Xserver issues.
 
Old 12-15-2006, 01:58 PM   #5
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A harder transition may be moving from Sarge to Etch because of Xserver issues.
That's the one I'm fearing and the reason I've been reluctant to move to testing! I'm kind of hoping the Deb developers have managed to iron out the problems before Etch goes stable or there are going to be some disgruntled Debian stable users. Personally, I'm fed up of getting a distro just how I like it with everything working and then borking it up.
 
Old 12-15-2006, 02:29 PM   #6
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I just switched from sarge to etch a couple of days ago. There were warnings in the installation about gdm becoming unstable, so I stopped the install at that point and switched to a non-X login to finish. Of course it then complained all the way through that it was falling back to the console interface. LOL If I remember correctly, xorg didn't get completely installed, so I had to do that manually. Not a real biggy. The nvidia installer complained about something (can't remember what), but it pointed out what to do to fix it.

The installation really went pretty well, actually. The biggest aggravation was that my mouse side buttons broke, and xf86config is no longer available. I used xev to figure out that my mouse was now sending buttons 8 and 9 for the side buttons. Setting up xmodmap fixed that.

I'd say go for it.
 
Old 12-15-2006, 03:25 PM   #7
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Upgrade Sarge to Etch -- Debian Admin
http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-sarge-to-etch.html

The one thing tha above has that you might want to change is using the name etch instead of testing in your sources.list that way you stay with etch when it becomes stable.

Also it is a good idea to not have X/kde/gnome running when you dist-upgrade. Do it from a console boot. That's one of the nice things about Kanotix/Sidux init 3 goes to console and kills X/kdm/gdm, that way there is little chance of messing with running processes.

dist-upgrade" is Ctrl+Alt+F1 ; logon as root, type init 3 ; apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade ;run fix-fonts ; run update-scripts-sidux.sh ; run fglrx or nvidia script if xorg updated [DO NOT DIST-UPGRADE [or UPGRADE] with adept or synaptic, or while in KDE/Gnome/X]

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Old 12-15-2006, 04:24 PM   #8
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The other important thing, use apt-get to dist-upgrade from sarge to etch.
NO SYNAPTIC, no dselect and no aptitude!
 
Old 12-15-2006, 05:54 PM   #9
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The other important thing, use apt-get to dist-upgrade from sarge to etch.
NO SYNAPTIC, no dselect and no aptitude
Thanks for the warning; I tend to use aptitude. Why is that a bad thing?
 
  


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