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Old 11-09-2009, 06:29 PM   #16
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At the beginning, once a Stable release is announced, both versions are fairly close. As time goes on, Testing progresses. Updating apps, kernel, etc to newer versions. So you might start out with OpenOffice 2.4 for example but end up with OpenOffice 3.0. Or, in the case of Squeeze, with Gnome 2.26 and end up with Gnome 2.28. And so on. And so forth. That's why I wait for a while before dist-upgrading to the new Testing.

Since it's Testing, those upgrades are taken slowly and with assurance. As Debian is well know for. And as for security updates, since Etch -I believe-, they are now included in Squeeze. Or whatever version Testing might be. So there are security updates in the Testing branch. Wasn't so way back. But it is now. Security is not an issue in Testing. Is it as good as in Stable? I can't say. But I do get security updates in Testing.
Ok, I understand now. You do keep upgrading testing as new packages filter down. I was under the impression you only did the upgrade once per stable release. Whereas what you actually do is a dist-upgrade (with new entry in sources.list) once per release (a few months after the release) and then keep your machine current with whatever is testing at the time (eg squeeze right now).

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No sir, in my opinion, Testing is fairly stable. Especially for a home desktop. Not for a business critical application. I sure as hell wouldn't use testing in my business. But certainly for home use.
I agree, from what I've seen testing is quite stable, perhaps more stable then the "stable" releases of other distros.

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As far as Unstable (Always know as Sid), that's just too bleeding edge for me. But to each his own. Anything can happen with Unstable/Sid. And yes, I've played around with Sid. Used it for a while. Thank you but no thanks. And I don't want to hear about sudix. That distro is still to iffy for my taste. And that's all it amount to; Just a matter of taste.
Using sid, you have to be on your toes: put things on hold from time to time, know how to downgrade, and basically enjoy problem solving. I highly recommend to any one running sid to install apt-listbugs.

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Stable is just that. Rock solid. Testing is the closest thing to it. Especially if you wait for a while before installing it. And Unstable/Sid? Ugh! No sir. Been there, done that. Not for me.
Just as a note of contrast I use sid on my work machines and stable at home. The reason being is that I'm almost always infront of the machines at work and am able to fix problems as soon as they arise. However at home, there is at least one other user, who uses all the clickly-click gnome stuff and who knows nothing about the system, and doesn't want to either: it just has to work - all the time.

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Old 11-09-2009, 07:21 PM   #17
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Ok, I understand now. You do keep upgrading testing as new packages filter down. I was under the impression you only did the upgrade once per stable release. Whereas what you actually do is a dist-upgrade (with new entry in sources.list) once per release (a few months after the release) and then keep your machine current with whatever is testing at the time (eg squeeze right now).


I agree, from what I've seen testing is quite stable, perhaps more stable then the "stable" releases of other distros.


Using sid, you have to be on your toes: put things on hold from time to time, know how to downgrade, and basically enjoy problem solving. I highly recommend to any one running sid to install apt-listbugs.


Just as a note of contrast I use sid on my work machines and stable at home. The reason being is that I'm almost always infront of the machines at work and am able to fix problems as soon as they arise. However at home, there is at least one other user, who uses all the clickly-click gnome stuff and who knows nothing about the system, and doesn't want to either: it just has to work - all the time.

Cheers,

Evo2.
Yes! Right on!

But as far as Sid is concerned, I don't want to 'fix' problems as they arise. This is one of the reasons I stick to Debian Stable or Testing - mostly Testing. Very few problems with these branches. Actually none with Stable and nearly none with Testing.

Sid on the other hand... Well, lets leave well enough alone. I don't like Sid. Takes too much work on my part. And I'm getting very lazy in my old age (61 and closing in on 62). Yes, old codgers do get in to Linux. Just like you young bucks do.

Testing is bleeding edge enough for me. And it really isn't at all. Not really.
 
Old 11-10-2009, 12:01 PM   #18
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I use Lenny, and I'm fine with it. I did install the newer OpenOffice.org from backports, and installed some smaller applications from source (like emelfm), and created compatible Lenny packages from the Sid sources (abby and cclive), and so I have a system I'm happy with. I agree with alioop that there isn't a need to just be thinking of upgrading all the time. If it's not broke, don't fix it (or, if it's not broke, and it works, then just use it, and stop wasting a bunch of time tinkering with it).
 
  


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