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Old 12-28-2009, 12:24 PM   #16
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If you want newer package like you are used to having with fedora install sidux. it is a Debian sid distro.No need to mess with stable, testing, and all the other repos.

sidux is a full featured Debian sid based live CD with a special focus on hard disk installations, a clean upgrade path within sid and additional hardware and software support. The ISO is completely based on Debian sid, enriched and stabilized with sidux' own packages and scripts. http://www.sidux.com/module-News-display-sid-550.html sidux takes roughly 5 minutes to install, and other than the kernel, artwork, a couple of sidux packages, and some cool scripts it is Debian unstable. The current sidux kernel is 2.6.32-2.slh.2-sidux-686.

Or use the Debian netinstall only install base then change your sources.list to unstable then run aptitude update, aptitude full-upgrade. After it finishes upgrading you can install gnome/kde/xfce/lxde or whatever de/wm you choose.
Gnome would be aptitude install xorg gnome-desktop-environment
Kde4 aptitude install xorg kde-full

With sidux you will only need 3 repos, Debian unstable, sidux , and the debian-multimedia.org repo.

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# Unstable Sid
 deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
# Unstable Sources
 deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free

# sidux http://sidux.com/files/misc/sources.list
deb http://sidux.com/debian/ sid main contrib non-free firmware fix.main fix.contrib fix.non-free
deb-src http://sidux.com/debian/ sid main contrib non-free firmware fix.main fix.contrib fix.non-free

# Marillat For info visit http://www.debian-multimedia.org
# Unstable
 deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
#deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
 
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:39 PM   #17
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Question Questions 5 and 6 ....

Okay managed to get to 2.28 in GNOME, now I have no network connection.
So question 5:
How do I edit the network files to get that working again.

Question 6:
How do I shut off or stop IPv6?

Question 7:
Can I remove the Network manager package without screwing up the system?
 
Old 12-28-2009, 01:55 PM   #18
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If you want newer package like you are used to having with fedora install sidux. it is a Debian sid distro.No need to mess with stable, testing, and all the other repos.

sidux is a full featured Debian sid based live CD with a special focus on hard disk installations, a clean upgrade path within sid and additional hardware and software support. The ISO is completely based on Debian sid, enriched and stabilized with sidux' own packages and scripts. http://www.sidux.com/module-News-display-sid-550.html sidux takes roughly 5 minutes to install, and other than the kernel, artwork, a couple of sidux packages, and some cool scripts it is Debian unstable. The current sidux kernel is 2.6.32-2.slh.2-sidux-686.

Or use the Debian netinstall only install base then change your sources.list to unstable then run aptitude update, aptitude full-upgrade.
Now somebody tells me about this distro
I did the netinstall from Debian.
 
Old 12-28-2009, 03:39 PM   #19
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Now somebody tells me about this distro
I did the netinstall from Debian.
No! I won't tell you about sidux. Didn't you say you didn't want to jump into the deep end? sidux, as well as Debian's Unstable branch (Sid) is at the very deep end of the pool. There is no bottom over there. That's why it's call Unstable. Get it?

Let me get this straight, you want a working Debian proper OS which you don't have. And you want to dive right into sidux? Is that right? craigevil knows what he's doing. You don't. He does things I wouldn't do! Like using Backports, or Sid or sidux or dual booting or all the other crazy things he does. But he's an old hand at this and knows his shit. And he's damn good at it. Don't you dare go there. Otherwise, you'll be scurrying back to Fedora. You focus on getting your Debian OS up and running FIRST! Then you can go crazy trying other things.

I've played with Debian Sid and it's evil twin sister sidux. If you go this route, you better well know what the hell you're doing. These two girls are man killers. They'll eat you up and spit you out without blinking an eye. They'll send you back to your mama without your gonads.

As far as network connections, via the terminal - as root -... Have you tried Synaptic? It's so easy to install and delete apps. I just love it. Of course at my advanced age I'm also getting lazier. At the task bar: System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager. Go that route. You will have to log in as root of course. You know that don't you? Now, about the network connection. Go to Synaptic and click on the 'Search' box. Key in gnome network manager. See what you get. Not trying to screw your mind up any more than it already is, but I prefer 'wicd' as my network manager. It's a very good network manager. Search for that. Still in Synaptic, you should come up with a result. Click the box for it and install it. Hopefully an icon will show up on your task bar. Click on it and see what you can do with it. Might be an icon won't show up on your taskbar until you reboot. Maybe, maybe not. You should still find it in (at the Taskbar) Applications > Internet > wicd.

By the way, you've not told us what branch of Debian you're using. Is it Stable (code name Lenny) or Testing (code name Squeeze). Of course I know damn well you're not using Unstable (code name Sid). Please tell us you're not using that.

Have you visited this site? http://www.debiantutorials.org/. Lots of good info there. It's mainly for Lenny (Stable). But if you're using Squeeze, you can make alterations for your Squeeze OS. No sweat doing that. Just swap the names.

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Old 12-28-2009, 03:56 PM   #20
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alloop - sid and sidux are really not that bad. and if you come fedora (where things break) it actually is not radically different. you give sid far too much bad press in your post.
 
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Old 12-28-2009, 04:09 PM   #21
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The OP is used to using fedora, which is the bleeding edge version of red hat. If he can handle that, he can handle sid/sidux just fine. He is used to newer packages and things occasionally breaking, once he gets used to using aptitude/apt-get he will have no problems running Debian sid.

The big trick to keeping a "stable" Debian sid is to use apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges. Those two will save one from having the breakage that people talk about in sid. The nifty smxi script helps as well, especially if you are new to Debian.

Trying to mess with backports and even worse trying to backport packages from sid on your own is a much bigger hassle than sid on its own will ever be.

As far as I am concerned Debian stable should never be used on a desktop/laptop, it should be used on a server where uptime matters. And Testing breaks far more often than unstable ever does.

Save your self the headaches you will have trying to install backported packages and wondering why you can't get newer packages on Stable, run pure sid or sidux.

While I do disagree with the sidux devs on quite a few things, the distro itself installs fast and is one of the few Debian based distros that upgrades smoothly with Debian. It uses Debian repos , there are only a few packages in the sidux repo, most are artwork or scripts like ceni.
 
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Old 12-28-2009, 04:50 PM   #22
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alloop - sid and sidux are really not that bad. and if you come fedora (where things break) it actually is not radically different. you give sid far too much bad press in your post.
Sorry milomak and other who feel this way. I don't mean to step on anyone's toes, but Sid and sidux ARE radically different. I guess I'm more conservative in my choices when it comes to Debian branches. And Linux in general too. Is it possible to be a conservative using Linux? Eek! I think Winston Churchill said something about being a liberal when young and becoming a conservative when older. As far as politics, that's not the case with me. But with Linux, it most certainly is.

I've gone through all the distro hopping I want to do. Been there, done that. I haven't tried a new distro since I first installed Etch when it was Testing. How long ago was that? 20006 or there about? At this stage, I'm very comfortable with a WORKING distro. And if not Debian Testing, then certainly Debian Stable.

First and foremost I want an operating system that works. I want to use it. I'm over the distro hopping and trouble shooting and tweaking and wondering why this or that doesn't work. And how to fix it. For years it was fun. Learning how to use the terminal and opening conf. files and doing things like that. I'm glad I got into Linux when I did. Learned a lot. Sure comes in handy.

Now, I'm looking for a system I can install, tweak and leave alone. One that just works. For that I'll use Debian Stable or in my case Testing. Like an old pair of shoes, it's comfortable. And I can put it to good use.

And this comment from the Guru of all Gurus is too much. My main man. The one I go to for support. The one I look up to. Oh, my dearest craigevil, how deeply thou dost cut me. I dost think I'll stop genuflecting to you - Well, maybe not. You'll always be my go to man.

As far as I am concerned Debian stable should never be used on a desktop/laptop, it should be used on a server where uptime matters. And Testing breaks far more often than unstable ever does.


Balderdash! Poppycock! Bullfodder! Of course that's not so. Debian Stable is called Stable for a reason. No reason Stable or Testing can't be use for the home desktop. None at all. And my Testing/Squeeze OS has been rock solid.

Sid, sidux and the other distros; thanks but no thanks. I'll leave them to the folks that like to dig and probe and jack around to no end. That's the way I feel.

Thank goodness I'm still a Linux fan. I wouldn't have it any other way. And choice is still good. That's the best thing about Linux. Linux is my main OS. I do everything with it. Don't even have a one Win box in my house. How about that!?

Can we put our hands together and have an Amen brothers? Amen!

Oh,forgot about tmick. Bud, are you still there? Bear with us. This post might get rough and wander all over the place. Focus young man. Focus.

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Old 12-28-2009, 05:20 PM   #23
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No! I won't tell you about sidux.
Okay got it, that statement says it all "DON'T DO IT"

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As far as network connections, via the terminal - as root -... Have you tried Synaptic? It's so easy to install and delete apps. I just love it. Of course at my advanced age I'm also getting lazier. At the task bar: System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager. Go that route. You will have to log in as root of course. You know that don't you? Now, about the network connection. Go to Synaptic and click on the 'Search' box. Key in gnome network manager. See what you get. Not trying to screw your mind up any more than it already is, but I prefer 'wicd' as my network manager. It's a very good network manager. Search for that. Still in Synaptic, you should come up with a result. Click the box for it and install it. Hopefully an icon will show up on your task bar. Click on it and see what you can do with it. Might be an icon won't show up on your taskbar until you reboot. Maybe, maybe not. You should still find it in (at the Taskbar) Applications > Internet > wicd.
Let me correct the network connections question, I cannot get an IPv4 address. I have tried going into System-> Preference-> Network Connections and System -> Administration -> Network. I can add a new connection but can't activate it.
I have also gone into Applications -> System Tools-> Network tools and was able to view Eth1, eth0 and lo.
In Fedora I can go into /etc/sysconfig/network-config/ifup eth0 and edit it to force DHCP to make it work. Where do I edit to make DHCP work?
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By the way, you've not told us what branch of Debian you're using. Is it Stable (code name Lenny) or Testing (code name Squeeze). Of course I know damn well you're not using Unstable (code name Sid). Please tell us you're not using that.
If I'm following this right I used to be on Lenny now I am on Squeeze, I used your sources.list example. Nope not Sid haven't gone that crazy yet

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Have you visited this site? http://www.debiantutorials.org/. Lots of good info there. It's mainly for Lenny (Stable). But if you're using Squeeze, you can make alterations for your Squeeze OS. No sweat doing that. Just swap the names.
No I haven't but it is on my next thing to do list...now
 
Old 12-28-2009, 06:16 PM   #24
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tmick, why are you worried about IPV4/6 address? Why is that a concern at this moment? That's a browser problem. I'm guessing you can't get out to the internet. Yes or no? If no, we've got some work to do. If yes, you've got no problems. If you could dist-upgrade your original Lenny/Stable install to Squeeze/Testing, with the new repos, you should be getting out to the internet.

I gave you two sources lists.

For Stable/Lenny

### Lenny ###

deb http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/ lenny main
deb-src http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/ lenny main

deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main

#lenny main contrib non-free
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free

# debian multimedia
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main

----------------------------------------

If you're using Squeeze/Testing:

### Squeeze ###

deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main

#squeeze main contrib non-free
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

# debian multimedia
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main

As you can see, the first bunch is for a Lenny/Stable Debian OS and the second one is for a Squeeze/Testing OS. Which one did you added to your /etc/apt/sources.list? It has to be one or the other. Not both. Don't mix and match. With Debian it won't work. Don't ever mix and match. Mater of fact, there is no such thing as mixing and matching. Well, there is, but let not go there right now. Ugh. craigeivel can tell you about that. Look, it doesn't work mixing Fedora 11 resources with Fedora 12 resources. Same with Debian branches.

If you'll notice, the first bunch of repos I gave have 'Lenny'. The second have 'Squeeze'.

If you added both sources that's a problem. And the only answer might be to reinstall and start from scratch.

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Old 12-28-2009, 07:17 PM   #25
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tmick, can you surf the internet or not?
 
Old 12-28-2009, 07:39 PM   #26
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tmick, can you surf the internet or not?
I was not able to surf or anything. I did figure out how to fix it though. I went into synapitcs and marked gnome network manager for re-install and it works now.
I'm repling to this from the Debian computer.
 
Old 12-28-2009, 07:44 PM   #27
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tmick, why are you worried about IPV4/6 address? Why is that a concern at this moment? That's a browser problem. I'm guessing you can't get out to the internet. Yes or no? If no, we've got some work to do. If yes, you've got no problems. If you could dist-upgrade your original Lenny/Stable install to Squeeze/Testing, with the new repos, you should be getting out to the internet.

I gave you two sources lists.

For Stable/Lenny

### Lenny ###

deb http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/ lenny main
deb-src http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/ lenny main

deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main

#lenny main contrib non-free
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free

# debian multimedia
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main

----------------------------------------

If you're using Squeeze/Testing:

### Squeeze ###

deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main

#squeeze main contrib non-free
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

# debian multimedia
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main

As you can see, the first bunch is for a Lenny/Stable Debian OS and the second one is for a Squeeze/Testing OS. Which one did you added to your /etc/apt/sources.list? It has to be one or the other. Not both. Don't mix and match. With Debian it won't work. Don't ever mix and match. Mater of fact, there is no such thing as mixing and matching. Well, there is, but let not go there right now. Ugh. craigeivel can tell you about that. Look, it doesn't work mixing Fedora 11 resources with Fedora 12 resources. Same with Debian branches.

If you'll notice, the first bunch of repos I gave have 'Lenny'. The second have 'Squeeze'.

If you added both sources that's a problem. And the only answer might be to reinstall and start from scratch.
my sources.list now looks like :
Code:
# 
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20090906-12:06]/ lenny main

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20090906-12:06]/ lenny main


### Squeeze ###

deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main

#squeeze main contrib non-free
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

# debian multimedia
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main
 
Old 12-28-2009, 09:39 PM   #28
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tmick, I think there is some saving grace still left in you. Good boy! Well done young man. Well done indeed. You must have been your mother's favorite. Must have been, since you're so smart and gooood looking.

So, now you're using Testing/Squeeze. And surfing the internet. Squeeze is my Debian OS of choice. It's cutting edge enough but not too cutting edge. More than a viable and stable OS but not too bleeding edge to fix every time you do an update. Now all you have to do is add some extra apps/programs and your Debian/Squeeze will be top notch.

Have you thought about Java and Flash and codecs? Hum? Well, get ready to add them.

Of course all this has to be done from from a terminal as root. Or if you have any good sense, and as a 43 year old and you're mother's favorite (she told me directly you were) you'll use Synaptic At the taskbar, System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager. And why not use it? It's so damn easy. I use it all the time. But then again I'm getting lazy. But why not use Synaptic? No need to get all geekoid about it. If Linux is making it easy to manage your system why not?

Open Synaptic - you'll be prompted for your root password. Click on the Search box. Key in what you want and away you go.

Things to install:
1. w32codecs (for streaming video)
2. libdvdcss2 (for DVD play back)
3. flashplugin-nonfree (for flash) Oh, and remove swfdec while your at it. It's an Open Source Flash that's a piece of shit. You should, when searching for it,come up with about three or so listing. Get rid of them all.
4. sun-java6-plugin and sunjava6jre ( for Java )
5. gstreamer: ugly, good, bad. Yes, that's their names. You'll probably have most of those already install. Add the ones you don't have. Won't hurt.
6. unrar-nonfree (to unrar rar files)
7. VLC: a video player. And extra video player that comes in handy. I always install it. Don't bitch. Just do it!

What else? Well, start with that. Lets see what else you might need later on.

tmick, give it hell. I'm sure you'll be able to handle it. After all you're your mother's favorite. When it's all said and done, we'll make a Debian fanboy out of you.

And don't forget, the best thing about Debian is when you do an apt-get install xyz, if you don't like it or it causes problem, it a simple thing to apt-get remove xyz. Yes, it's that simple. Or you can do the same thing with synaptic. Now give it hell. Go for broke.

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Old 12-28-2009, 10:20 PM   #29
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Have you thought about Java and Flash and codecs? Hum? Well, get ready to add them.


Open Synaptic - you'll be prompted for your root password. Click on the Search box. Key in what you want and away you go.

Things to install:
1. w32codecs (for streaming video)
2. libdvdcss2 (for DVD play back)
3. flashplugin-nonfree (for flash) Oh, and remove swfdec while your at it. It's an Open Source Flash that's a piece of shit. You should, when searching for it,come up with about three or so listing. Get rid of them all.
4. sun-java6-plugin and sunjava6jre ( for Java )
5. gstreamer: ugly, good, bad. Yes, that's their names. You'll probably have most of those already install. Add the ones you don't have. Won't hurt.
6. unrar-nonfree (to unrar rar files)
7. VLC: a video player. And extra video player that comes in handy. I always install it. Don't bitch. Just do it!
Okay got them and installing them now.
Only one issue, if I try uninstalling swfdec it tries to remove GNOME also. Welcome to dependancy hell I guess I agree swfdec is about as useful as M$'s Silverlight, useless as tits on a boar hog and twice as annoying. I seem to remember being able to use
Code:
which flash
or something to that effect to force a different flash player in Fedora, maybe something like that will work in Debian if needed.
 
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Okay managed to get to 2.28 in GNOME, now I have no network connection.
So question 5:
How do I edit the network files to get that working again.
The file to edit is /etc/network/interfaces.
Code:
man interfaces
How to edit it depends on what you want your networking to do. Wired? Wireless? dhcp? static? etc.

Quote:
Question 6:
How do I shut off or stop IPv6?
Some googling indicated that this can be achieved with the following lines in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
Code:
alias net-pf-10 off
alias ipv6 off
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Question 7:
Can I remove the Network manager package without screwing up the system?
Yes!

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