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Old 05-29-2004, 08:56 PM   #1
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Mepis and debian


I have been using mepis for a little while, and today i did apt-update then apt-get dist-upgrade. It downloaded a lot of files and installed them, but now my computer seems unstable, Armagetron freezes, warcraft 3 doesnt work any more, and some other apps have problems now. My question is would changing over to pure debian instead of mepis fix this problem or does dist-upgrade bring alot of problems like this.
 
Old 05-29-2004, 09:18 PM   #2
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Am i hearing crickets.
 
Old 05-29-2004, 09:28 PM   #3
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patience is key

a little more info would help.. how about what are you dist-upgrade'ing to? (sarge or sid)

sounds like you are dist-upgrade'ing to sid (unstable) which can cause problems. I prefer to dist-upgrade to testing and grab packages from unstable that I want because of new features, security, etc

if your going to use debian's repositories its always better to stick with debian (and not something based on debian)
 
Old 05-29-2004, 09:41 PM   #4
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patience is key

a little more info would help.. how about what are you dist-upgrade'ing to? (sarge or sid)

sounds like you are dist-upgrade'ing to sid (unstable) which can cause problems. I prefer to dist-upgrade to testing and grab packages from unstable that I want because of new features, security, etc

if your going to use debian's repositories its always better to stick with debian (and not something based on debian)
I wanted a reason to do a format, thanks. I think i will download sarge and not do a distro upgrade. I see why they call it unstable.
 
Old 05-30-2004, 07:07 AM   #5
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Not really true!

Quote:
Originally posted by zuralin
patience is key

a little more info would help.. how about what are you dist-upgrade'ing to? (sarge or sid)

sounds like you are dist-upgrade'ing to sid (unstable) which can cause problems. I prefer to dist-upgrade to testing and grab packages from unstable that I want because of new features, security, etc

if your going to use debian's repositories its always better to stick with debian (and not something based on debian)
I'm running beta 5a of Mepis and have done an apt-get dist-upgrade and my system is perfectly stable. My sources.list has unstable in them, as well as testing from the debian repositories.

The problem the original poster described is with the 2003.10 release of Mepis and the problem he described has already been addressed (quite awhile back) on mepis.org's forums by Warren (Mepis creator) himself. He should have searched the forums there before doing an apt-get dist-upgrade.

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Old 05-30-2004, 03:42 PM   #6
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mepis-x-4.3.0-5
This is a metapackage for updating to X 4.3.0-5 in the Debian pool. This package is helpful if you must update X and you are running MEPIS Linux 2003.10. It uses brute force. After installation there will be unresolved dependencies, to resolve them you will need to run 3 times: This is what needs to be installed if you want to run a dist-upgrade.Run apt-get -f install 3 times,or save your home dir. and just upgrade to the next release,only takes about a hour or less and the price is good to.
 
Old 05-30-2004, 03:47 PM   #7
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Quote:
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Am i hearing crickets.
22 minutes?

Seriously, though. You can use the Sarge netinstaller and when it asks you where you wanna get your packages from, if you choose unstable, you'll be fine. I did that the last time I installed (before DFS caught my fancy...) and then got my packages from Unstable. No probs that way.

BTW, I have found that if you apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade, I had little or no breakage. All three steps seem to work better. Good luck on your install. And, I, too, look for excuses to format sometimes.
 
Old 05-30-2004, 11:17 PM   #8
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22 minutes?

Seriously, though. You can use the Sarge netinstaller and when it asks you where you wanna get your packages from, if you choose unstable, you'll be fine. I did that the last time I installed (before DFS caught my fancy...) and then got my packages from Unstable. No probs that way.

BTW, I have found that if you apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade, I had little or no breakage. All three steps seem to work better. Good luck on your install. And, I, too, look for excuses to format sometimes.
I just said that because no one else was in the forum, but I am using the 2004 version thanks anyways comprookie2000 I will wait it out, see if anything changes, and if not i can just do a format.
 
Old 09-07-2004, 02:35 PM   #9
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Ok the main thing to remember here is that MEPIS IS NOT DEBIAN, it is a Debain BASED distro so you can't upgrade Mepis to Sarge, it's not possiable. You can upgrade from Mepis 2003.rcX to Mepis 2004.01 however THIS IS NOT RECOMENDED, you have to remember that Mepis is allready based of unstable and testing. Doing a distro-upgrade is walking into a door wide open of unstablility. Also your best bet for getting help with mepis is going to mepis.org then going to mepislovers.org and searching the forums there.
 
Old 09-07-2004, 04:13 PM   #10
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Mepis is a great distro, like PCLinuxOS. Both are fine Live-cd's, which they were designed to be. Both will install reasonably well on a hard drive. But, like I would never dream of changing my PCLinuxOS sources to Mandrake mirrors, I'd also not consider trying to "upgrade" to Debian from Mepis. As stated, they are NOT the same thing. Well worth considering.
 
Old 09-19-2004, 02:06 AM   #11
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Ya know... I've been using Mepis for quite a while now and I've done several apt-get upgrades (to SID) without incident. I've heard that this can cause lots of problems with Knoppix, but one of the great things about Mepis is that it is completely compatible with the standard Debian repositories.
 
Old 09-19-2004, 02:49 AM   #12
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So things have changed since the spring then. Excellent.
 
Old 09-19-2004, 03:02 AM   #13
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webvandals, I do not know what gave you the idea the Mepis is completely in sync with all branches of Debian in every single way. They are not. A fine example is with apt-getting for a kernel-image from the main Debian pool. They don't recommend it. You are advised to roll your own. We have read enough harrowing tales such as those that occured with KDE 3.2 & X 4.3 for those on Mepis 2003.10 back in March/April. A visit to www.mepis.org's forums reveals the extent.

In certain ways, Knoppix could be even worst i.e. in the wierd mix it employs e.g. Stable, Testing and Unstable. As Knoppix niches itself as an "easy-to-install" version of Debian, this is most undesirable for its likely users other than those wanting a portable GNU/Linux distros are by and large Windows users with little or no experience or wish to dive into the commandline to rectify problems or even understand why certain packages are put on "hold" or why certain upgrades need to be via backports.

However, I do understand that Mepis intends to come up with its own repository with custom packages soon that may help alleviate some of the above-mentioned irritations. However, I just can't see how all 18,000 + (and ever growing still) packages in Sid/Experimental can be replicated or customized and repackaged for use in Mepis in their entirety. From personal experience and those of others, the need, wanting or rather temptation of Mepis users to want to install from Debian pool will arise sooner rather than later. And in no time we are back at square one.

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Old 09-19-2004, 03:14 AM   #14
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You may know more about the details and technical underpinnings than I do. All I can tell you is that I've been happily using apt-get for install, upgrade, dist-upgrade and also using Debian packaged kernels for 2.6.2 thru 2.6.8 and I've never had any problems. Except for when I tried to upgrade KDE to 3.3 before it was really in the repository -- but a lot Debian purists had the same problem with that. FYI, when you install Mepis by default, your sources.list is (for the most part) just the standard debian repositories plus a couple of custom ones for the extra stuff (I think). Like I said, I'm not really an expert on the topic -- but I've seen lots of other folks talking about how Mepis is the way to go if you want true compatibility with the Debian repositories. Maybe those folks were wrong, but in my experience, the Debian repositories work just fine.
 
Old 09-19-2004, 03:37 AM   #15
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webvandals, I spend quite a bit of time on freenode.net and on various channels e.g. #debian, #mepis, #debian-devel, #debian-boot, #ubuntu, #kanotix and #knoppix. CBlue knows me as "rajasun" although I do log into the network under other nicks as well. Warren and team may have improved on the compatability issues I'm not sure. Admittedly, these days, my time is consumed by Debian Sid/Scud, Kanotix and Slackware essentially. But I believe the move by Mepis to have its own repo speaks volumes about how far the goal for complete compatability between Mepis and Debian has advanced i.e. not much, otherwise there would not have been a need to, right?

KDE 3.3? Yeah there were a couple of minor problems upgrading on Sid e.g. the openoffice mimelink was once again borked like it was 3.2 but nah it is not much of an issue on the whole and anyway, I'm on GNOME, XFCE4 or Fluxbox (when I'm in a minimalist mood) and rarely step into KDE.

What I do recall is that there are certain other config files in /etc that Mepis has tweaked that may pose some problems for the uninitiated n00b. e.g. folks who apt-getted GNOME on Mepis couldn't boot in or had some other issues. is it a good distro for the n00b, yeah, it is. But the itch for the REAL deal will arise soon enough.
 
  


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