Is there a howto to upgrade to sarge .

for example

Install 2.8.1 without Gnome and KDE and then buid a Sarge system,
making sure to keep Libranet customizations.

xx11

looks like a quote from a post of mine so maybe the finger points at me

howto:
do as above, add your debian mirrors and it will work ok, just take it slowly.
Use kde and gnome & other stuff from Sarge
Add unofficial if you like, be careful with backports.org - i don't use that because i don't need Xorg etc.
I changed to kdm as i prefer it to gdm.

Libranet seems to hold on to its 'customizations' automagically (Icewm setup etc).
One problem i had was a crash on logout from kde which i solved by disabling the kde sound system
(don't use it anyway). This does not seem to be libranet's fault.

I did'nt need any howto to do this and I'm basically just a user who wants stuff to work..

It depends on yur needs if this is for you.

I'll be around if you want to try this

seemed to go

then went to synapitic graphic interface

upgarde all packages


processing packages

update failed scroll in the buffer to see what went wrong.

nothing in the butter?

any suggestions please.

xx11
ps on close screen went wild lots of horizontal lines.

ok on start up

Never upgrade all packages without checking what apt is going to do to your system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Especially when combining two distros like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Often apt wants to remove adminmenu whrn you do an indiscriminate upgrade to sarge, you have to uncheck a couple of other things to avoid it. It's worth it.
If you did a moderate upgrade, just updates it may be just to run upgrade again but chose smart upgrade and look what you're doing.
If you go for etch or sid with this I can't help you, haven't tried that.
Did you first install libranet without gnome and kde and then added Sarge with Gnome and or kde?

The only thing I did was (apart from what I said

was alter the source.list file

everything was # out accept

ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
http// security.debian.org/ stable/updates.main


all has been downloaded but nothing installed

after doenload a interactive screen appeared which I could not interact
with something about locale-gen

and for uk the settings were
uk UA. UTF-8 UTF-8
UK UA K018-U

i will or may have to do something manually here




re initial install of libranet no gome or kde was installed only
network
xemacs
monzilla
base install

at the momrnt synapic says 15700 packgses listed
400 installed


x11

When I did this I installed libranet 2.8.1 with X and the lightweight window managers,
without gnome/kde and generally as little as possible programs, but letting libranet set up X, network etc.
Now I have a vpn connection and connect through web browser (laziness, it can be set up better) so i can't install anything from text mode.
So I needed a web browser and synaptic running to get further.
Then added mirrors for sarge, keeping most things in the libranet sources.list, some of it still works..
I think sarge is better stable in sources.list

This worked no serious trouble - far better than the other debian based distros i've tried lately


my sources.list:

# See sources.list(5) for more information

#Debian
deb ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free
deb-src ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free

#Debian Non-US
deb http://non-us.debian.org/ sarge/non-US main contrib non-free
# deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/ sarge/non-US main contrib non-free

#Debian security updates
# deb ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free
# deb ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
# deb-src ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free
# deb-src ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stable/updates main contrib non-free

deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib

#mplayer, xine
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main
#backports, uoffisielle pakker
# deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main
deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/ sarge contrib main non-free restricted
#Libranet
deb http://libranetlinux.com/ updates/2.8/
deb http://libranetlinux.com/ security/2.8/

# The Libranet archive must be the last entry:
# deb http://archive.libranet.com/archive/libranet/ cedar main
# deb-src http://archive.libranet.com/archive/libranet/ cedar main

# kernel-ppp-mppe
# deb http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/mppe/debian/ ./

# dkms
# deb http://linux.dell.com/repo/software/debian/ sarge dell

# deb http://quozl.netrek.org/pptp/pptpconfig/ ./

deb ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main contrib non-free


# deb http://www.debian-desktop.org/pub/li...ian/kde-3.4.3/ sarge main

SO do you think I should start again reinstall libranrt and then put thr source list you suggested in place?


andrew

well, yes, it only takes about 15 minutes to get a libranet with X and these small desktops in place.
Then put in a sources.list like this one and install kde and or gnome _manually_
-just use synaptic, browse kde/gnome packages and put in what you want.
Quite a lot of clicking of course and takes some time but then you have control
-watch closely what dependencies apt wants to put in and what it wants to remove.

As for the sources list it should be ok: I have commented out the potentially problematic stuff and
some things i put in because of special needs (dkms, pptpconfig) and kde 3.4 (careful with that).
You probably don't want debian.no as that's a Norwegian server (but it doesn't really matter and may be a server with less traffic than others.

I posted my comments about this linux installation because i found to my surprise that it gave me a very easy installation (easier than pure debian) plus a system that worked better than mepis, ubuntu -and i don't like mandriva and found Suse 10 problematic.
that's all, I'm not interested in tinkering with anything, just to have it working.

ok I will give it a go
NOT sre how to chose what packages maybe gome to start with
but what about dependencies does the package manager tell what
depenabcies you need or should I use atp-get.

It could take a long time if there are many dep for each package.

yes I have tried suse 9.2 not 10.0 and even fredora, and even ubuntu for a short time but I do like the libranet style and the way it looks and works but 2.8.1 is old.

thanks

xx11

It seems a difficult task now that everything has been downloaded.

18011 packages of which 440 are installed

how will I know what apt wants and what is needed to be removed.

what about the packages that are installed already
monzilla
xemacs
and others.



also we have three from libtanet

libranet -upgarde 1.0.8.1

adminmeu 0.7.47-1

I will take a look tomorrow as I want to be careful


thanks for any feedback.

xx11

I hope before libranet to sarge upgrade you reviewed http://www.debian.org/releases/stabl...rading.en.html and the advice optained at libranet forums. Good luck with new sarge system.

you simply install libranet, unchecking gnome and kde desktops, but choosing
X and desktop environment, this gives you Icewm as default and fluxbox

No need to choose individual packages although I prefer it.

other than that the installation is simple enough - i have difficulties imagining any snags yet...

Does this present problems to you?

Now you have a simple libranet system, with X and icewm and network up --??

Start synaptic and add debian mirrors, f.ex those in my list. Start adding gnome and kde packages one desktop at a time is best..
it did not take that long for me to build kde and gnome this way.

You can clean the package cache if you want.
keep adminmenu, uncheck it in synaptic after having requested a full upgrade.
--before pressing 'Apply', search for adminmenu, and unmark the 'remove' tag.
Say yes to any changes resulting from this.
(you can do that when you've built kde/gnome).
libranet-upgrade is not that important.
If adminmenu does not matter to you you can just go ahead, but it happens to be one of the attractions in libranet..

libranet 2.8.1 is old but upgrading to sarge takes care of that, then you can use the 2.6 kernel. Or go on to etch.

In synaptic you can check details before performing the upgrade.

Read the manual, these are things you can easily find out.

Or: go ahead and see what happens..

ok I have downloaded all the packages mentioned
as per your source.list. on a fresh install of libranet.

What I am finding overpowering and I cannot seem to
get my head around is the number of packages

I will have to give this some more thought
and read the help on how to use the synampic manager.correctly

ok I seem to be a bit of a dummy at the moment
I just more time to understand what needs to be
done.

xx11

What do you mean the number of packages?
The debian archives contain zillions upon zillions of packages and software, you don't have to install all of it...

take what you need

I am uncertain of what to take I just need to
run mail server and few odds and ends.

Taking what I need is ok but I do not know
what I need.

nor do I know how to install it,


xx11