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Old 01-01-2013, 09:44 AM   #16
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If you knew anything about Debian, you would know that Debian Testing is not a rolling release. A glaring example is that Testing is currently frozen. That means no new packages are being added and none will ever be added, while Wheezy remains Testing and after it becomes the next Stable. Rolling releases are never frozen. That is why they are called rolling. It is a good thing you are here to "explain" things to us, so we do not get confused.

Before this flurry of three posts, you had two posts in five years. When you finally decided to get involved, it was to post bad advice. After that was pointed out, you attacked and used a heaping load of mis-information to prove everyone else is clueless. I usually give people the benefit of the doubt, but in this case I am moving toward the conclusion of "troll" quicker than normal.
As I said earlier LMDE is semi rolling. It takes into consideration that testing freezes prior to the the next stable release. In Debian if you use the testing repos not the ones named for the next upcoming stable it is very much rolling with the exception of periodic freezes. LMDE also releases update packs periodicly to adjust the system to keep it using the current testing repos and updates.

As far as me giving bad advice, no I didn't. You saw Mint and assumed I was talking about their Ubunto fork, which I wasn't. I was talking about the debian fork. The solution I posted works and unless you want to install other programs from the repository, it can be commented out in your sources.list.

I wasn't attacking your whole forum just you for attcking something you were not familiar with. I provided the OP a viable working solution. Is it something you would have thought of? Apparently not. Because you didn't think of it, know about it, or haven't tried it doesn't mean it is not viable.

Might not hurt you to install a VM on your system and try out some of the solutions others offer before you comment, or start blasting their suggestions. You might just realize you can learn something from the experience of someone else. You might want to do to Mints site or forum and you will gain a better understanding of LMDE's rolling state. Just a suggestion.

I myself do not use LMDE. I installed it on my wifes system because it is more user freindly of the newbie or those with little experience that just want a functioning system without being a guru. I prefer to work from unstable where packages are a little more current and bleeding edge.

As far as attacking someone, I believe you were the one that started that. I offered the solution and because you had no experience or knowledge of the solution, or you assumed I was referring to the Ubuntu and you assumed I was ignorant.

The fact of the matter there is more than one way to install firefox full with branding in debian. Since there is not a way to know all users experience levels I offered the OP the simplest solution. There is also this method:
Download the latest Linux build of Firefox directly from Mozilla http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/. Extract the files, and navigate to that folder, and run it. If you want, make an icon on your desktop. You can also make a link to the binary in /usr/bin/firefox to make it easier to launch.

As far as the amount of times I post. It simple, I signed up on this forum back in 07. Why? Who knows. I was doing a search on something a few days ago and came across the OP's post. As I have had to use the the above solution on my wifes computer I passed the how to on.

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Old 01-01-2013, 01:38 PM   #17
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As far as attacking someone, I believe you were the one that started that. I offered the solution and because you had no experience or knowledge of the solution, or you assumed I was referring to the Ubuntu and you assumed I was ignorant.
You are a complete troll. He did not attack you he said "it is usually not a good idea". If you took that personally, which it is obvious that you did, then you have issues to deal with. Your reply, which keeps going on and on and on, is to tell people to get their facts right. You have made statements that have been shown, by the official Mint site, to be wrong.
 
Old 01-01-2013, 04:46 PM   #18
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Read the entire articles.

http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php

http://superuser.com/questions/32237...efox-on-debian

Rolling Rolling Rolling -LMDE- from Mints site is rolling, but a little googling will show semi rolling is more accurate.

Wiki Debian calls testing rolling as it is in a constent state of update: The code name for the next stable release, e.g. "wheezy", will track "wheezy" through its transition into "stable" and later old-stable, while "testing" will keep rolling on after a new stable release. If you would rather track the wheezy release as it becomes stable, update your /etc/apt/sources.list replacing "stable" or "testing" with "wheezy".


If you are running debian repos labled testing not Wheezy, after the freeze is lifted and Squeeze becomes old stable and Wheezy becomes new stable are you going to have to reload your system with testing again?

The Fix From SuperUser which if you will note works in current stable squeeze, and seeing that LMDE is based on testing one would draw the conclussion that it will work on currently frozen testing Wheezy.

Again debian testing and LMDE are rolling. The fix I posted works on stable and testing. LMDE FYI is on update pack 6.

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Old 01-01-2013, 04:55 PM   #19
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You are a complete troll. He did not attack you he said "it is usually not a good idea". If you took that personally, which it is obvious that you did, then you have issues to deal with. Your reply, which keeps going on and on and on, is to tell people to get their facts right. You have made statements that have been shown, by the official Mint site, to be wrong.

As far as me having issues. Nope I have high functioning autism. Take it personally yes I did,"it is usually not a good idea" To the next person that comes along and reads the post, it says to them, Disreguard what he said it is not a good idea or possibly wrong.You might want to suggest next time that he not cast doubt and ask for clarrification. Then maybe the person posting can show him the answer he is looking for and the logic behind it. It might not be how you would aproach the situation, but the solution offered might just be a viable one you have overlooked, or not been made aware of.

I posted a link in the previous post with a link to the Official Mint site. Anyone can read it and see it is based on Debian Testing, is a rolling distro, just as debian testing is according to wiki debian unless you choose to follow a specific development release such as Wheezy from testing, to stable, to old stable, and end of life. Other than freezes both disros will continue to roll. I believe dibian and LMDE are concentric. Meaning they share a common origin. They can have a common point of beginning and can be similar, but different.

You will not have to worry about me posting a solution on this site again. The long and short of it is both solutions I put in the thread will work as shown in the link to superuser.com.

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Old 01-01-2013, 06:17 PM   #20
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As far a me having issues. Nope I have high functioning autism. Take it personally yes I did,"it is usually not a good idea" To the next person that comes along and reads the post says to them, Disreguard what he said it is not a good idea.You might want to suggest next time that he not cast doubt and ask for clarrification. Then maybe the person posting can show him the answer he is looking for and the logic behind it. It might not be how you would aproach the situation, but the solution offered might just be a viable one you have overlooked, or not been made aware of.
Cavedweller you need to step back a fair bit. Read his words not what you interpret them to be. It is a fact that it is usually not a good idea to mix repos from Debian-Ubuntu-Mint. it can and often does cause breakage. Are you going to help people who interpreted your post as saying "you can mix them as much as you want without any problems occuring"? Read what is actually said not what is not there.

Don't blame Autism for your error, you got hot and bothered over nothing.

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You will not have to worry about me posting a solution on this site again.
That is your choice, you have been a memmber for 5 years and until the last few days have had little or no interaction here at all. You took something to heart that should never have been interpreted the way you did and to make it worse you told people to get their facts right when yours are not right. The link you posted in your initial post here should confirm to you that Firefox from Mint is not from Debian but instead it is from Ubuntu and that is why it is in the "import" section of the LMDE repository. I don't understand why you feel the need to argue with people over facts that you yourself provided and that prove you wrong.

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Old 01-01-2013, 06:58 PM   #21
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The link you posted in your initial post here should confirm to you that Firefox from Mint is not from Debian but instead it is from Ubuntu and that is why it is in the "import" section of the LMDE repository. I don't understand why you feel the need to argue with people over facts that you yourself provided and that prove you wrong.
The link I posted has nothing to do with Ubuntu or Canonical. That you should know. You should by now that Mint has 2 seperate forks one based on Canonicle and Ubuntu, the other on debian. You should also know that they forked Gnome 3 and we got Cinnamon. This is just basic stuff but you choose to spin error.

I'm out of here.
 
Old 01-01-2013, 09:31 PM   #22
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The link I posted has nothing to do with Ubuntu or Canonical. That you should know. You should by now that Mint has 2 seperate forks one based on Canonicle and Ubuntu, the other on debian. You should also know that they forked Gnome 3 and we got Cinnamon. This is just basic stuff but you choose to spin error.
The link you posted has Ubuntu packages in the import repository, that is something that is blindingly obvious to anyone who looks and sees the package name where it has a version number with the word ubuntu in it. I know they forked Gnome 3 and made Cinnamon just like MATE forked Gnome 2 and made MATE which Mint is also partially involved with. Neither me nor Randicus has spun error, however you have told people to get their facts straight facts which you yourself by your posts and links have proven to be correct.

The second link you posted also mentions mozilla.debian.net and also Craigevils suggestion, so does that means those sugestions are wrong? It also mentions that it is not a good idea to mix repositories because of the possibility of breakage. Considering that's the case why are you not arguing there as well?
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I'm out of here.
You returned to post this even though you said you wont post a solution again so the indication is you are now trolling.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 12:32 PM   #23
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If you want the latest Firefox, try this:

Code:
apt-get remove iceweasel
echo -e "\ndeb http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all main" | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list > /dev/null
apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com C1289A29
apt-get update
apt-get install firefox-mozilla-build
From http://superuser.com/questions/32237...efox-on-debian
 
Old 01-03-2013, 06:45 PM   #24
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If you want the latest Firefox, try this:

Code:
apt-get remove iceweasel
echo -e "\ndeb http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all main" | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list > /dev/null
apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com C1289A29
apt-get update
apt-get install firefox-mozilla-build
From http://superuser.com/questions/32237...efox-on-debian
uh NO.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to install packages for any other distro on Debian. Especially Ubuntu.

download
extract (right-click extract)
create a shortcut (edit iceweasel.desktop in /usr/share/applications changing the name to firefox.desktop and the Exec= and Icon= lines)
run Firefox from the new menu entry under "Internet"
be happy

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0.1
 
Old 01-03-2013, 09:49 PM   #25
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There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to install packages for any other distro on Debian. Especially Ubuntu.
Apparently a few people would disagree. Judging by the number of people who post both here and on the Debian forum about their Debian systems not working properly using packages from Buntu, Mint and joesgarage.com repositories, it appears that many people cannot comprehend that disto-specific packages are, well, distro-specific. There seems to be a lack of understanding about the nature of Linux systems. There appears to be many people who believe there is one Linux system with each distribution having a different look, and that all packages will work on every distro, every time. If I install a package from another distro and it works, but you install a package from some other distro and it screws up your system, I am not lucky. You obviously did something wrong.

Perhaps a sticky should be added to the sub-forum. Debian is not Ubuntu or Mint. Use those repositories at your own risk.

*This post is not aimed at anyone in particular, including people who have posted in this thread. It is a general observation about threads of this nature I have seen on several fora.
 
Old 01-03-2013, 11:13 PM   #26
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What was stated downloading firefox directly from mozilla, extracting the tar file and running it from the extracted folder or dumping the bin file in /usr/bin to speed up the start up time. That is pretty distro neutral.

That works in stable, testing, and unstable. Just saying.

What was stated about using Mint Debian repo works as well. The one draw back is after installing something out of the Mint Debian repos if you don't comment the repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list and only use them for specific packages you may end up with some of Mint's packages altered for their flavored release.

I would say it boils down to ones experience and comfort level with their distro and if they are comfortable doing modifications that they may have to fix if they fail.

I have used Debian testing and use Vmware Player to test different distros and tweak them. That includes changing the sources in Mint Debian and converting it to Debian unstable.

If a person is set on using firefox non free, I would suggest the option of downloading directly from mozilla, axtracting,and running from the file.

By the way Hello to you all.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 12:06 AM   #27
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By the way Hello to you all.
Hello.
You picked and interesting thread for your first post.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 12:28 AM   #28
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What was stated about using Mint Debian repo works as well. The one draw back is after installing something out of the Mint Debian repos if you don't comment the repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list and only use them for specific packages you may end up with some of Mint's packages altered for their flavored release.
No one here, as far as I can see, said it wouldn't work but it was said that it is not advisable, and it isn't advisable, to mix and match repos from different distros. If Ubuntu or Mint add a dependency that breaks Debian who is going to help the noobie fix it? probably not the person who suggested adding it because they have done a scram and run away so it will be left to the rest of us to help the noob fix it even after we said "please don't do that".

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Hello.
You picked and interesting thread for your first post.
LOL.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 02:43 PM   #29
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Hello.
You picked and interesting thread for your first post.
Funny what comes up when you use Google.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 03:00 PM   #30
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No one here, as far as I can see, said it wouldn't work but it was said that it is not advisable, and it isn't advisable, to mix and match repos from different distros. If Ubuntu or Mint add a dependency that breaks Debian who is going to help the noobie fix it? probably not the person who suggested adding it because they have done a scram and run away so it will be left to the rest of us to help the noob fix it even after we said "please don't do that".

LOL.
I'm pretty sure my post said if a user wants the non free verion of firefox the prefered method would be to download the tar file, extract it, and run the bin file from the extracted file. The only question a newbie should have to ask you then is how to extract a tar.gz file. That method is distro independent.

As far as the other method I would say the user is going to have to have some kind of moderate experience level to be using it, along with a working knowledge of aptitude/apt-get, as well as editing files with root/su privelages. As far as using that method I was simply saying I have used it and it worked, and I have mixed the repos between dibian based distros for a desired effect. I do not recommend using Ubuntu repositories with debian or on debian based systems, or vice versa.

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