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Old 12-29-2008, 09:09 AM   #1
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Question Do any body knows when debian lenny become stable?


I know its a stupid question, but what makes me ask that I cant wait for the stable lenny.
I have tried to google my question but I didnt find something useful.
 
Old 12-29-2008, 09:12 AM   #2
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You won't find a definite answer. Lenny's release has been postponed until the most important bugs have been resolved. Those who regularily follow the lists have estimated 2009 mid-year.

But there's no reason why you should start to use Lenny right away. As is the custom with Debian, testing's very usable already. And if you just long for a bleeding-edge version of Debian, try sidux.

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Old 12-29-2008, 09:18 AM   #3
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I'm not sitting around waiting for official Lenny stable.. I'm runnning a 'stable' lenny.. No, it won't officially be the stable branch until mid 2009 per current predictions but I've had no stability issues. The only thing I might not run it on is a production server. For a personal system it runs great !!

What are you trying to do that you need Lenny to be the Stable branch for ?
Is it a hardware related issue ?
Will Debian Etchnhalf, with it's updated kernel, fit the bill for now ?
 
Old 12-29-2008, 09:44 AM   #4
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I want to use it for the home use only but the problem is the computer is 24\7 and I use it in virtualization (virtual machines) for that I want something works very stable to not make a restart every day.
What about the dreamlinux is it better than sidux?
I see dreamlinux is above sidux in the distrowatch ranks
after that I examined that sidux and dreamlinux use xfce environment and I use only gnome

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Old 12-29-2008, 10:31 AM   #5
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Virtually everyone who understands Debian is using Lenny already.
 
Old 12-29-2008, 11:36 AM   #6
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You can install any version of Linux that you like. This isn't windows. You're not going to have to regularly reboot the system after you get everything configured.

I've had bleeding edge distributions (gentoo) updated daily functioning as servers (not by my choice) with up times in excess of a year. Debian in general is extremely conservative and there is nothing even remotely bleeding edge about stable or testing.

In Debian if version doesn't matter and stability is of utmost importance, with only security fixes and critical bug fixes, and updates that never break your custom configurations, stable is the right answer.

The software in stable (etch currently) is typically extremely out of date except for security fixes and critical bug fixes. However, there is probably no other distribution that can match it's stability as a basic level.

The software in testing (lenny currently) is going to be nearly as stable but once in a while an update will break things or a package will not function as expected.

The software in unstable (sid always) is going to semi-frequently break things when you update... however, even in sid, once an application is installed and working... it's going to run just fine without needing regular reboots. There are exceptions to that, but they're almost always application related not distribution related.

Regardless of the distribution type or listed stability once you have it installed and configured you will be able to run your application indefinitely without a reboot in 99.99% of cases. This is pretty much true of all unix and linux in general.

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Old 12-29-2008, 12:33 PM   #7
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A reboot is typically only required if you update the kernel, and I can assure you Lenny doesn't do that every day.. you may need to restart X for some updates, but that shouldn't affect Vmware Server at all..

If you don't install the kernel meta packages, or remove them later, Debian will not automatically suggest kernel updates, Kernel updates will only occur when YOU request them.
 
Old 12-29-2008, 12:58 PM   #8
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I'm currently running Etch on one unit at home, it has run flawlessly since Etch became stable, not one hiccup since April 07
So if I do a clean install of Lenny RC1 should I leave my sources.list file as is? I'd like Lenny to receive security updates when Lenny is officially released as stable.
I'm a security junky
 
Old 12-29-2008, 03:06 PM   #9
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Yes.... I guess...... dunno what your sources list looks like now..

this is what it looks like on my Lenny box.


it-etch:/~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
Code:
# 
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Beta i386 NETINST Binary-1 20070329-08:46]/ etch contrib main

deb http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/  lenny main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib

deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free

deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main
It works....


Note: ignore the hostname it-etch..... I haven't bothered to change it, it's been Lenny for months now

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Old 12-29-2008, 03:26 PM   #10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by farslayer View Post
Yes.... I guess...... dunno what your sources list looks like now..

this is what it looks like on my Lenny box.


it-etch:/~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
Code:
# 
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Beta i386 NETINST Binary-1 20070329-08:46]/ etch contrib main

deb http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/  lenny main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib

deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free

deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main
It works....


Note: ignore the hostname it-etch..... I haven't bothered to change it, it's been Lenny for months now
Thanks, man:-) I appreciate the help! I can't decide if I should do a clean install with the Lenny netinstall iso (back-up my stuff) or try a dist-upgrade from Etch. A dist-upgrade at this point may not work I'm guessing.
 
Old 12-29-2008, 03:27 PM   #11
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After I downloaded debian testing weekly-builds, I tried it on a vmware and after the installation I found that there is no synaptic manager to install packages, and the nautilus is so old no tab browsing in it, so what they mean by weekly-builds? I thought that they put on it the latest packages.
 
Old 12-29-2008, 03:33 PM   #12
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ooh sorry I think that I downloaded the wrong CD.
now I am downloading lenny_live_beta2 I think this better for home use.
 
Old 12-29-2008, 03:41 PM   #13
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Here is how to upgrade from Debian Etch to Debian Lenny. I did this on October 13, 2008 and have been running Lenny with no problems since:


Upgrading from Etch to Lenny:

1. Open a terminal and type sudo su
2. Now type cd /etc/apt/ && gedit sources.list
3. Replace all occurrences of etch with lenny and save the file
4. Back at the terminal type apt-get update
5. Once the update has finished type apt-get dist-upgrade (and follow any onscreen instructions)

If all goes well, once finished you should be able to reboot into your new Debian Lenny kernel.

-------------------------
Steve Stites
 
Old 12-29-2008, 04:01 PM   #14
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Quote:
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Here is how to upgrade from Debian Etch to Debian Lenny. I did this on October 13, 2008 and have been running Lenny with no problems since:


Upgrading from Etch to Lenny:

1. Open a terminal and type sudo su
2. Now type cd /etc/apt/ && gedit sources.list
3. Replace all occurrences of etch with lenny and save the file
4. Back at the terminal type apt-get update
5. Once the update has finished type apt-get dist-upgrade (and follow any onscreen instructions)

If all goes well, once finished you should be able to reboot into your new Debian Lenny kernel.

-------------------------
Steve Stites
The only thing beyond that I would suggest is good backups. I recommend that before any upgrade beyond normal security fixes and even then it should be done on a regular basis.
 
Old 12-29-2008, 10:56 PM   #15
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actually according to the devs. you missed a step.. they suggest you upgrade the package management system before you upgrade the distro. .

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander "Tolimar"

Upgrading from Etch to Lenny:

For users

Even as a simple user (aren't we all just users?) you may help getting Lenny released. Some things you can do:

* If you are running stable (aka Etch), you could consider upgrading to Lenny and see, if everything works fine.
Currently there are no detailed release notes documenting the procedure, so you best way to test upgrades are to:
1. Make backups
2. Change your /etc/apt/sources.list
3. Run aptitude update to get information about new packages
4. Run aptitude install dpkg aptitude apt to install the newest package management
5. Run script aptitude full-upgrade
6. Exit the environment of the script command, by typing exit

If something goes wrong / something unexpected happens, please report it. If you already know a specific package,
report a bug against that package. If you don't know, please report a bug describing the problem you experienced to the
upgrade-reports package. If your problem is something, which can't be fixed properly, but should be documented
(e.g. hardware support regressions, packages no longer available) please report a bug against the release-notes package
(Bonus points if you not only report the bug, but also supply a paragraph to be added to the release notes).

The command script will log the entire output of the command in the file typescript. Should something go wrong
during the upgrade, please send this file along with your bug report.
Update: If you upgraded succesfully, you should report that, too. There's a template for upgrade reports, which you can use.
hitest, by all means backup everything and test the upgrade, and submit a report success or fail. if it fails then you can do you r clean install. follow the link under "upgrading from Etch to Lenny."
 
  


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