In order to have this discussion there, you have to find some people who actually switched from Debian to Suse. I think that would be tough. There might be a few folks who tried to install and configure Debian ... gave up, and went to Suse, but I think that's about as close as you'll come.

Yes. You'll notice it:

• links to a bunch of precompiled xorg 7.1 packages that you don't need, since -current already includes xorg 7.2,
• doesn't include links to all the python dependencies you'll need, and
• doesn't link to any Beryl packages.

Now this LQ thread includes links to some precompiled Beryl packages produced by a poster, "patfins", but there's more missing python dependencies (so the Beryl settings manager won't run) and the end result is very crash-prone. Back to the drawing board.

We Debian users are spoiled. :)

Originally posted by BillyGalbreath:
Errm....are there no illiterate gamers then?

Don't forget children.. Lots of children play learning games on Computers.

And some of my users.. I would swear some of them can't read.. they certainly can't read the manuals for the software they use... :)

Tell me a game that doesnt require you to read at least a little...
That is one exception, I guess. But if you think about it - they aren't really using a computer - just playing a game. Get one of these kids that cant read to install the game and start it all on their own. My son is 4 years old and he plays Planet Penguin Racer and loves it - but he cant start a level on his own. I have to sit with him and select levels for him, or yell across the room to press the "big button" (enter) to start the same level again.

I actually install OPenSuSe 10.0 it took almost 2hrs to completely install, then the first time I ran Yast and did a kernel update it hosed the system. The one thing I didn't understand is the install actually rebooted several times, plus switching disks multiple times was most annoying. Give me a Debian netinstall over a multiple disk distro any day.

Been running the same Debian Sid install since Feb 2005 with very few issues. Other than Slackware and Gentoo I have installed and ran, if only for a day or two, all of the top 20 distros. The only one besides Debian I even considered keeping was PCLinuxOS.

But then again why bother when my Debian system rocks, is running everything I need, and with daily d-u keeps updated with the current apps.

Originally posted by BillyGalbreath:
pacman, tetris, a thousand or more shoot-em-ups, platformers etc, etc....... :p

We're getting a bit pedantic here, you know full well what I was driving at: Debian has extensive documentation :)

Mikie

Back to the original topic for this thread. For me, it looks like moving to Debian is very much worth it. I have been trying for about 6 weeks to get a server running with a new ASUS board that uses the new AMD 690G northbridge. I tried 15 different distros, some 32 and some 64 bit. The only ones that I could complete an installation on were Sabayon 3.3 and Debian 4. Up until last night I was fighting Sabayon trying to get all my server software configured. Then on a whim I downloaded the 64bit Debian 4 net install. After entering noapic as a boot parameter, the installation went perfect, and I was so excited I stayed up for two hours past my normal bedtime and got further than I had in two weeks with the other distro.

I just hope that my continuing experience is as positive as the initial one.